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 Posted 11/11/2014  04:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrisild to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Firstly you quoted Danish source states that it is from Satrup 'Tyskland' (= Germany) and secondly when you look at the three churches in Sottrup, they look quite different while the church in Satrup looks more like a renovated version of the one depicted on the note

Unfortunately I have not found a map that shows the plebiscite zones in so much detail that you can see even the small places. But I am not sure whether the place in Schleswig-Holstein was involved in the vote - it is close to Flensburg but may well have been outside the second referendum area. Assuming that the Satrup from the first note depicted here is the Danish one, the National Library's Tyskland comment could simply refer to the fact that, when this notgeld was issued, the place was in Germany.

I know, too many occurrences of "could" and "may". ;) Similarly the Satrup-Sottrup church may well be the one that is depicted on the note: http://www.sottrup-kirke.dk/index.php?id=26549 Not every designer is a master, hehe.

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 Posted 11/11/2014  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lettow to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Only three people have ever really understood the Schleswig-Holstein businessâ€"the Prince Consort, who is deadâ€"a German professor, who has gone madâ€"and I, who have forgotten all about it."

Lord Palmerston
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 Posted 11/11/2014  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dnissen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lettow, I had to laugh when I saw your quote. I had seen it before. I'm beginning to believe it. However I am determined to learn more. I have several emails out to various establishments, hoping to get more info. I'll definitely post it here when I learn more.
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11/11/2014 9:35 pm
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 Posted 11/12/2014  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lettow to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I gave a presentation on the Schleswig-Holstein problem to the International Bank Note Society about 15 years ago. I, too, once understood the "business" but, alas, like Lord Palmerston, I have forgotten it. (Although my wife would probably suggest I have gone mad.)
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 Posted 11/16/2014  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cookey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Lettow you made me laugh too :)

@ Dnissen: You may want to check out this link:http://www.noedpenge.dk/Katalog%20H...0Sottrup.htm

It is a catalog of Sonder Jutland emergency notes listing the one you have.

On the main page there is contact information to the owner of the site, he may provide you with more info.

Keep us posted.
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 Posted 11/17/2014  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dnissen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you cookey for the information.

I thought I would update you (or lack there of) on my findings so far.

Here is a list of sites that I have emailed.

National Danish-American Genealogical Society
**National Museum of Denmark
Danish newspaper -- Berlingske
Danish Museum in Iowa
University of Denmark
Facebook -- Satrup
Danish National Archives
Owner, catalog of Sonder Jutland emergency notes

**National Museum of Germany
University of Greifswald
University of Freiburg
Municipality of Sorup
German National Archives

The only two responses that I've received so far are from the National Museum of Denmark and the National Museum of Germany. The German Museum provided other websites that may be helpful. And the Danish Museum provided this information, which I already knew.

After WW1 there was a dearth of small change in Germany, and many cities and parishes issued their own notes. Thus, your note is issued by the parish council of Satrup, some 15 km south-east of Flensburg in Schleswig-Holstein in Northern Germany. It was at the time of the referendum in 1920 whether this part of Germany should be German and Danish. The notes were often used as propaganda for one or the other side, and your note is overtly pro-Danish. In the legend Hjulmand Jørgensen is linked to the war between Denmark and Germany in 1848-1850, and his is shown in a uniform. On the small drawning, he is shown sitting on a roof. I do not know this war episode, but it must have been well known to the local people of Satrup back in 1920.

I'm still searching.
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11/17/2014 11:30 am
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 Posted 11/17/2014  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cookey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Adding one more contact point - Danish Numismatic Society:
http://www.numismatik.dk/2007dnfbestyrelse.php

Sorry for pasting links, but I avoid posting email addresses belonging to other people on the forums.

Write to President (Formand in Danish), he may provide you more data and contact points (Danes are very helpful in general, plus if you state your Danish origin they should provide you with a lot of help).
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 Posted 11/18/2014  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dnissen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Received this information yesterday from the Danish Museum in Iowa

From a Danish periodical entitled Museum : tidsskrift for historie og geografi (Museum: periodical for history and geography), published in Copenhagen between 1890 and 1896. It's just a small paragraph on p. 10 of the diary notes from 1864 kept by C. Krog Meyer, pastor in Sattrup in Sundeved . My translation:

"Although I now had to be prepared that the Dannevirke was completely deserted, it surprised me, however, when Hjulmand Jørgensen came to me the day before yesterday around noon with the sorrowful news that the Dannevirke-positions were routed and that the entire army was in retreat; he himself was going to flee to the Kingdom [i.e., into Denmark proper] in order not to fall into German hands, for he had not forgotten the persecution and maltreatment he had experienced in 1848 and 1849."
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 Posted 01/04/2015  11:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dnissen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've completed my search for information regarding this notgeld. A six-page document chronicles my findings. The document identifies and discusses the four images on the notgeld along with information about the notgeld.

If interested about my findings, I can be contacted at donnissen@sbcglobal.net
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 Posted 01/06/2015  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add schmidty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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