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1858/7 Flying Eagle? Fine? Good?

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I am interested in this coin and these pictures are very unclear as if it is authentic? If any one can help it would be appreciated.

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I don't pretend to be a FE Cent expert but in this case and in the case of any variety identification, it is necessary to provide close ups of the coin. Here, I believe high-resolution pictures would be required including close-ups of the date, as well as any other identifying markers.

If you have the coin in hand, I suggest you use these markers to identify whether or not it is a 1858/7 or not.


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This "ear" above the corner of the 8 is the only direct evidence of the original 7 on the die.


1858/7-Flying-Eagle?-Fine?-Good?

A little bit of info about the 1858/7 Overdate:

"The 1858/7 Flying Eagle cent is the only known overdate for the short lived series, and very popular as such. Only the earliest die states show clear remnants of the 7, making those the most valuable.

On lower grade examples or later die states, there are certain die markers which can be used to help identify the variety. These include a triangular chip in the field between the date and eagle and a broken wingtip on the eagle.

The grading services PCGS and NGC have certified around 350 examples of this variety, which would also include a number of resubmissions. Based on the certified population, this variety is scarcer than the much more well known 1856 pattern pieces."

Source: http://flyingeaglecent.com/18587-la...-eagle-cent/

Hope this helps.

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01/05/2015 12:00 am
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Your photos aren't available, zx!
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They were just a second ago when I posted them. Looks like Flickr decided to remove them for some reason.

EDIT: Added pictures again.

Also, in regards to the original question, based on the markers shown above, I would have to say that your coin is not the 1858/7. Although a broken wingtip could exist, it is unlikely that you can know for sure seeing the wear on the right wingtip. Furthermore, the triangular die chip does not exist on your coin. The only way to know would be to see the faint outline of the seven, but seen as how it is only visible on the earliest die states and is already very faint to begin with, it is unlikely that it can be properly discerned either.


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This is the link to ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/331420454980


Only $140 OBO? If that guy truly believed this was a real 1858/7 he would be asking a lot more....
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01/05/2015 12:11 am
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Better

Edit: It looks like he just circled random scuffs and marks on the photo that are in a similar position to the break and original 7.

YHM zxcccxz
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For some reason this shyster is now asking $229 for the same coin with the same misleading photo. I see no evidence that this is an 1858/7. It may be, but don't you think if you were selling a rare variety you'd take a better picture. Avoid. Oh, my bad. It seems he has two of these rarities for sale!
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