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WWII European Banknotes - Help Needed

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Evening,

I am new to the site and am looking forward to any reply. Sorry if I have posted in the wrong area, or under the wrong topic(s).

I recently bought a small collection of Pre-WWII and WWII banknotes and coins from a small militaria shop near to where I live. I was hoping that someone would be able to give me more information on the notes/coins, as I purchased them specifically because of the dates they were printed/minted.

If someone could give me more information or even a value I will be very grateful. I have graded the notes as honestly and fairly as possible.

I bought all of it for £10, and quickly bought them home and put it all into protective sleeves and cases. As I walked in he had just bought a suitcase with it all in, and that is probably why I got it for a 'tenner', as he was more interested in the uniforms and medals.

The set consists of 21 notes and 4 coins, and are as followed:

Banknotes

Tien (10) Gulden (Princess Emma (Old Woman) Rembrandt Version) - Dated 20 June 1940 - Very Fine (One edge has a fold on it)

Tien (10) Gulden (Blue Version) - Dated 4 February 1943 (Series 2) - Very Fine

2 Een (1) Gulden (Red Version - Both Dated 4 February 1943 (Series 2) - Fine/Very Fine (Light folds on one of the notes)

Een (1) Gulden - Dated 1 October 1938 (Series BX) - Very Good (Paper is very thin in the middle though)

4 Funfzig Pfennig (1/2 Mark) - Dated Serie 1944 (Allied Military Authority) - Very Fine/Good (Three are in very good condition, but one is quite dirty)

Eine (1) Rentenmark - Dated Serie 1944 (Allied Military Authority) - Very Fine (Nice colour and one fold along one corner)

Eine (1) Rentenmark - Dated 30 January 1937 - Very Fine (Best note of the lot, brilliant colour and no folds/pin holes)

Bwei (2) Rentenmark - Dated 30 January 1937 - Very Fine (One fold down the middle)

(Belgian) Cinq (5) Francs - Dated 1 February 1943 - Fine - (Has a dirty mark on the top right corner)

(Belgian) Dix (10) Francs - Dated 1 February 1943 - Very Fine (Has no marks or folds, but paper is a little dirty)

(Belgian) Vinght (20) Francs - Dated 23 January 1943 - Good (The worst note of the lot, good colour, but has dirty marks round most of the edge, and has many folds, no tears though)

(French) Deux (2) Francs - Dated Serie De 1944 - Very Good

(French) Cinq (5) Francs - Dated Serie De 1944 - Good ( No rips/holes but is quite grubby)

2 (French) Cinq (5) Francs - Dated 2 June 1943 - Very Good/Fine (Both notes are a bit grubby with a minor fold down the middle)

(French) Dix (10) Francs - Dated 2 February 1939 - Good (Colour is nice, but one major rip along the top border cuts a little into the design)

(French) Vingt (20) Francs - Dated 28 January 1943 - Very Good (Tiny rip on top border, does not go into the design though)

Coins

5 (Silver) Reichmark (with Swastika) - Dated 1938 - Great condition, no signs of cleaning/tarnish/damage

5 (Silver) Reichmark (with Eagle & 2 small Swastika) - Dated 1935 - Very Good condition, has the Potsdam Garrison Church on the back

2 (Part-Silver) Reichmark (with Swastika) - Dated 1937 - Very good condition, shows signs of circulation

10 (Iron) Stadt Duren - Dated 1918 - Brilliant condition, considering it is Iron, there is not rust/damage/tarnish

Thanks Again
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 Posted 01/07/2015  4:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ace_ftw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello, and welcome to the forum, I think one of the moderators will move this to World section. However I think most people will need some photos of each of the bills and coins (both sides) to be able to give you a good idea of what you have.

On a lot of the German coinage there are also mint marks, which will tell us which mint they were made at.

Also pictures will help us to identify if they are real or fake.
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 Posted 01/07/2015  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JBurt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks ace_ftw,

Will add pictures soon, probably tomorrow as it is getting late. Thanks for the quick response
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 Posted 01/07/2015  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add schmidty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, first I can tell you that I am very jealous! I would love to have every one of those items. Well, I do have a number of them already.

I am at work right now, but I can give better info once I am home and have access to my reference info. Although I am sure you will get many good replies by then.

I can quickly tell you that the Stadt Duren coin is notgeld (emergency money). I have a few different versions of a Stadt Duren coin, but not in the nice condition you describe. I also have some Stadt Duren paper notgeld.

Here is a link to some info on notgeld. There are two Stadt Duren coins at the bottom of the page:
http://www.cachecoins.org/notgeldcoins.htm
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 Posted 01/07/2015  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add schmidty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh...and

It's nice to have another WWII collector!
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 Posted 01/07/2015  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JBurt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Evening schmidty,

Thanks for your response and I look forward to hearing from you

Thanks Again
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 Posted 01/07/2015  4:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JBurt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

I am having some issues uploading the images, every time I click the 'Upload Image' link my screen immediately goes to the top of the page and does not load up anything.

My images are all below the 100kb stated, and have names with only letters as stated...

Are there any other ways of getting the pictures across to you guys?
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 Posted 01/07/2015  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ace_ftw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
if you have a flikr account or photbucket, I believe you can link to those, or did you try and use the image optimizer?
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 Posted 01/07/2015  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JBurt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have used the image optimizer, I think its something to do with what internet software I am using...
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 Posted 01/07/2015  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JBurt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Evening, I uploaded the coin images to my Flickr, just copy and paste the link into your search bar. Will upload banknote images tomorrow

https://www.flickr.com/photos/129742219@N05/ (worked when I tested it)
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 Posted 01/07/2015  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would think that they would be valued collectively at,
at least four to five times as much as you paid for them.
Congratulations!
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 Posted 01/08/2015  02:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JBurt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the good news sel_691, lucky I got them really. I don't think the seller knew what they were or did not care as he got them free with a massive suitcase of medals & uniforms.
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 Posted 01/08/2015  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lettow to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While the banknotes are all fairly common, you got the whole group at a very good price.
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 Posted 01/08/2015  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add schmidty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry JBurt, I was unable to look up much last night. But I agree with the others; there doesn't appear to be anything rare, but you got a very good deal for sure.

The main value will probably be in the Reichsmarks. A quick peak in my Krause shows a combined value of $14 - $25 in VF, depending on mint mark. My Krause is getting a little dated now (12 ed., 2008) so those numbers could be low.

If I can make some time this weekend I will look up your bills in a great book I have on WWII currency. (History In Your Hands, Schwann and Bolling; 1995) It's getting pretty old, so the values may not be accurate. But at least I can see if any of them are rare or hard to find. And if there are any interesting stories behind any of them I will pass that on. If you are serious about currency from this period in time, I highly suggest you seek out this book. It's has a wealth of information in it.
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All my banknote images are up now, the contrast is a bit high as I had to take them at night but they still do the job...

My Flickr - https://www.flickr.com/photos/129742219@N05/

Thanks for your response lettow & schmidty, I look forward to your response. I will try and get that book you mentioned ASAP!
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I made a slight error on the book title. The full title is:

World War II Remembered: History in Your Hands, a Numismatic Study

It is listed on Amazon...but it is not cheap. Search around the internet for it. When I bough my copy 5 or so years ago, I was very lucky to get it for $60. I don't know if you will find it that cheap, but I am sure with enough web-surfing that you could get it for less than the Amazon price.
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