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My 1909-S VDB -- Would Appreciate Feedback

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 Posted 01/13/2015  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pennynickelguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Overall I think this is XF40. OBV seems VF35. REV has nice details on the wheat and could go AU50.
Nice authentic S VDB.
The V.D.B looks correct, the left edge of the B should be at 6 o'clock position.
The S location looks like Obverse #3 (Top of S is at same height as the bottom of the 9's, and the left edge of the S is lined up with the right edge of the first 9.)
Also, the S serifs look correct.
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Wow, I'm impressed :) A question: So if the obverse and the reverse have different scores, the overall score for the coin is an amalgam of the two?
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I'm not sure if the TPGs grade this way, but I take this into account when I grade my own coins.
My personal example is my 1909 S VDB that the OBV is F12, but the OBV is VF20+, I think it affects the overall grade and bumps it up, so I consider it F15.
A good friend of mine who work in the business also grades this way, so I am comfortable with it.
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It's a fair point -- I mean, how can you grade two coins the same, that have exactly the same obverse (even though I realize 'exactly' isn't exactly possible), yet one has a stellar reverse and the other has a totally worn reverse? Clearly they both can't have the same rating, as the person who gets the lousy reverse is going to be pretty unhappy when he sees what the other guy got.
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I recently looked at a video of certain diagnostics of how to authenticate this coin. What you need to look at is the serifs on the mintmark, they are one of the hardest things for counterfeiters to reproduce. Make sure that they run in a parallel line with each other. Then flip the coin over and look at the VDB. The center line in the "B" should slant down and not be perfectly straight. From the pics and closeups you provided, it has a good shot at being real. Sending it to PCGS or NGC is a must, this coin is heavily faked and most buyers of this coin will pay more for it if it is slabbed.
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