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Pillar of the Community
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Glad to see your comments 'Ancientnoob' and 'Bob_L'. Would like to here from 'VisigothKing' and the other regulars who haven't commented yet.
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I'm cool with whatever you guys come up with.
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With 11 yes votes, can now start to consider the details. Will give this some thought and create a topic for that later. Don't want to make it too easy but on the other hand don't want to get stuck after a short while.
Three key issues will have to be raised:
1. Which decade to start in, eg 400-391 BC would get my vote since then coins can be found from the Macedonian Kingdom 2. What date to assign to coins which overlap two decades, eg Kassander (319-297 BC) - could choose start (319) or middle (308) 3. What date to assign to coins which have been minted for some time
Better spend a few days sorting things out, before we start on the adventure.
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i would say if someone can wedge a coin in a decade in any way (some part of the date range the coin was minted hits), then let them go for it. just don't post the same coin twice maybe?
just a suggestion.
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Posting twice should only be allowed if there is well identified and attributable countermarking on the coin.
Problem with your suggestion is if three have coins from Kassander that could cover three different decades then, which at a first go I would not feel comfortable with.
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Russian Federation
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Quote: I think a countdown from 1600 would be better just to see how far back it can go, but I would support any decision. I basically agree. I should've thought of that reason immediately. Problem is, we risk getting stalled in the 3rd century BC if we go forward in time, or in the 14th century AD (or so) if we go back, not reaching the bulk of most members' collection either way. Maybe we can make two threads going both ways at the same time and see where they end up meeting? Then we can continue past the meeting, and everyone would have another opportunity to show coins that might've missed the spot previously.
Edited by january1may 01/20/2015 03:07 am
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Will put my arguments into a separate thread to 'nail down' details, but would like to just say that running two threads in opposite directions will confuse a bit and people might not feel like posting in the 'other' thread when the time comes.
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I hope I don't stir up some bad feelings but I need make my thoughts known further. From the locked thread: Quote: Seems most everyone here is not up to a challenge but rather favours a free for all. When you make a challenge overburdened with so many little rules and restrictions its not a challenge anymore, its just boring. The reason why they are "having fun" in the other thread is because the rules are short, clear and not endlessly debated. Yeah, ancients are a special case as most cannot be precisely dated, but its not something to pore over (and try to have others pore over as well). There needs to be more flexibility with regards to posting them. Otherwise, people will just lose interest. Here is a simpler, similar version of a thread like this on another forum, done for ancients, medievals, and moderns: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/yo...tury.241481/I doubt the OP spent more than 10 minutes thinking up the rules for the thread. And it ended up going for 23 pages. Bottom line: the thread can be challenging but it also needs to be fun and inviting at the same time. Remember, all of us are on CCF to hang out and have fun discussing and sharing coins. We want to take part in this thread of yours but not have it feel like a chore when we do.
Edited by VisigothKing 01/22/2015 12:06 am
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What I am unable to digest is the uproar about one single issue, namely which coin qualifies for a decade. Otherwise the rules are no different to the threads going on in the main forum.
The linked thread from another forum is no challenge at all, but simply a display thread or to quote from what you quoted from me "a free for all" - quite happy to contribute if you ever decide to make one like that in this forum. I do have nothing against a thread like that, but it's not a challenge.
Good that 'echizento' did not close this thread as I recommended. After the positive words from 'Bob_L', I was prepare to kick something off this CCF day. But seeing the prevailing negative attitude towards a challenge like that, I will have to reconsider.
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I think I could just propose my version (inspired by the "first century" thread):
1) A coin counts for the decade it is minted in, if there is only one possibility. 2) If the minting period of a coin is 10 years or less, but covers more than one decade, it counts for the earlier. So a coin of Probus counts for the 270s, or a coin of Justin I for the 510s (if there is no sign pointing towards it being minted later; of course if there was it would come under point 1). 3) If the minting period of a coin is traditionally approximated by a decade (as in "220-210 BC"), it counts for that decade. 4) If the minting period of a coin is more than 10 years, it doesn't count for any decade at all, but can be used for any decade during the period if there is already a valid entry (by the previous three rules).
This can, of course, be revised temporarily if there's really a problem, but I highly suspect we won't hit any major problems for quite a while if we start from the 16th century. I'm not really sure about point 3, but other than coins with actual dates on them, coins datable to a particular decade would end up hard to find for that early.
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That's more or less what I proposed (except that I was prepared to allow slightly more flexibility for coins minted during two decades), but trying to express it in nutshell hit a snag and was disliked.
With so many specialised collector of ancient kingdoms, I see less problems for the first three centuries BC than for some periods in the 7th to 10th century range - but one should not forget that other members of CCF who don't often post here do have fitting coins as well (there are some Arabic and Chinese collectors not showing here normally).
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