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Am fairly new to attributing, and spent about an hour with this one and came up with N-8. Newcomb has it as an R-4, but I've also seen it as an R-1 in a couple of other places. Any help verifying or debunking is much appreciated. thanks. Ed

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You were close Ed.I believe it's an N-7 which is also an R.4. 7, 8 and 9 all share the same obverse so they can be tricky but looking at the reverse I feel it's an N-7.
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I can not even think about a call without the coin in hand....easily could be 7, 8 or 9.....
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This one's an easy call. N-8...R-1....N-7 the last A in America almost touches the stem, N-8 the last A in America is away from the stem, N-9 all key leaves point to the center of all 4 letters. You got it right edweather.
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I stand corrected. Here's an image of an N-8 I downloaded from PCGS Coinfacts.
http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/36955


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It also claims that N-8 is an R.1 although Newcomb states that it is an R.4. A coin listed from the Jules Reiver collection also states that it is an R.1.
https://books.google.com/books?id=9...0N-8&f=false
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Thanks guys. I really appreciate the help. So it looks like Newcomb got the rarity wrong on this one

Thanks again.
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Newcomb wrote United States Copper Cents 1816-1857 back in 1945. He also had to rely on a few collectors to share their coin collections with him. He didn't have the power of the internet or coin auction data bases like we have today so some of his rarity numbers are off. Actually it's pretty amazing how much he got right with the limited resources he had at the time.
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Actually it's pretty amazing how much he got right with the limited resources he had at the time.


Agreed. I wasn't being critical of him at all.....just wishing I had a rarer one It's an amazing book he wrote.
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The high 0 in the date immediately tells you it is N-7,8,9, or 11 The point of the leaf far past right of the last S in STATES immediately tells you it is N-8. (On N-9 it is below the center, on 7 and 11 it is below the right side of the S. 7 and 11 can be separated by the point of leaf below the C in AMERICA. On 7 it is below the center and on 11 it is well past the center.) And N-8 is an R-1. N-9 and 11 are the rare ones
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