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Just received this purchase from one of our members. A Persian AR Siglos.

I have very little knowledge about this type so I may be wrong with the attribution. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

AR Siglos
Type IV
Time of Artaxerxes I- Darius III
Circa 450-340 BC
16 x 12 mm x 5.3 grams
Countermarked



AR-Siglos

AR-Siglos

Thanks Dutch.
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Sweet!
Is that a countermark on the obverse?
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Yes, the way I understand it is that it's a bankers mark.
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I like it, makes it unique.
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Nice, way out of my field, what is on the reverse, do we know?
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No idea what the reverse is suppose to be if anything.
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Through my 'cross-hairs' it looks like a Goat, standing, facing right.
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Nice one, Ron. I always liked these issues.

Here's an informative page about sigloi, including some stuff about countermarks on them:

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/nu...p?key=Siglos


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The siglos is a reasonable way cost wise, to obtain a very ancient coin. They had a major part to play in in the development of the economy of ancient Asior Minor.

There are small variations in the types of these that include (dagger or spear) with bow. I believe the spear types were produced first.
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I think it is odd there is no writing on these coins . This must be before legends were put on coins.
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Thanks Bob, that's what I used for my reference.
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Lydio-Persian darics and sigloi do not have a reverse design. They were made in the same fashion as the original, first-generation coins, with the reverse (hand-held) punch tool being just a plain, un-engraved chisel.

They don't have writing on them for the same reason: the Lydians, whose coins the Persians copied, were making coins before they thought of the idea of including lettering. They simply kept doing so, long after coinage art in the Greek city-states had evolved to include both text and a fully engraved reverse die. Conservative folks, those ancient Persians.
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sweet coin ski, and that little counter mark is awesome! I don't think I've seen one with a countermark, if I had I didn't notice. I had no idea they had so many. can you id your based on bobl's link?
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Chris, I think it's a type IV but that's a guess on my part.
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I think about 8 years ago I was able to purchase a good sized lot of these, maybe 150 coins. It was a great way to see the kinds of design variations (spear, knife, archer), the fairly good weight uniformity, and of course the overall crude nature of the reverse. There were more than a few countermarks and I do greatly regret my lack of photographic skill at the time.

Those coins were gradually sold off.......

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good to hear you like it! Its a very nice coin.

I got one too with a countermark(or maybe 2):
AR-Siglos
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