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captainyesterday555 Valued Member United States 129 Posts	Posted 03/30/2015 11:37 pm Hi all, I picked up a few coins this past weekend at $15 per coin. I suspect that's more than they're worth, but if I've overpaid it's worth it for the education. I find I enjoy reverses with a lot going on (fallen horsemen, people on boats, goddesses on lions, various field marks, etc.). I'm curious if you all have any thoughts on these, and perhaps can help correct my identifications and provide possible RIC assistance. Thanks for your help! From Left to Right 1) Constantius II AE3 Siscia, 348-350 AD 19 mm/ 2.6g Mintmark epsilon SIS close to RIC 243 2) City Commemorative anepigraph AE3 Thessalonica, 330-337 AD 19 mm / 2.5g Mintmark SMTS (T is a little corroded) 3) Valentinian I AE3 Siscia, 364-375 AD 19mm / 2.1g Mintmark D Delta SIS c(?) Obv Fieldmark * over A Possibly RIC 7a vi or vii unpublished as referenced on wildwinds Report this Post to the Staff

echizento Moderator United States 23731 Posts	Posted 03/30/2015 11:58 pm The coins are nice but they are very common and sorry to say you did pay a bit too much. At most from $5-$7 each would be what you should expect to pay. Don't be discouraged we all overpaid at one point or another. All part of the learning process. Report this Post to the Staff
zxcccxz Pillar of the Community Canada 5417 Posts	Posted 03/30/2015 11:59 pm I would agree that you overspent, all three coins fall within the top 10 most common LRB emperors category and can be had in the condition, maybe.... $20 for the three, unless there are any scare varieties in there. Can't help you on RIC, I'm not very good with that stuff myself. They're pretty nice coins though, should be fully identifiable, and they don't seem to have any problems. Edited by zxcccxz 03/31/2015 12:01 am Report this Post to the Staff
captainyesterday555 Valued Member United States 129 Posts	Posted 03/31/2015 12:07 am Thanks for the replies! No great loss while I get my feet wet in this market, and it was a nice little exercise as a beginner to try identifying them. Report this Post to the Staff
sel_69l Bedrock of the Community Australia 21786 Posts	Posted 03/31/2015 12:09 am I don't think $AUD15 per coin is much over the call. They all have full legends and devices, and are all fully attributed. Report this Post to the Staff
chuy1530 Pillar of the Community United States 513 Posts	Posted 03/31/2015 01:59 am I like the quality of the reverse on the first and third and I really like the bust on #2. You may have overpaid but you at least you got some nice coins! Report this Post to the Staff
Athalbert Pillar of the Community Spain 629 Posts	Posted 03/31/2015 02:14 am You made a very accurate identification but... you say: 2) City Commemorative anepigraph AE3 Thessalonica, 330-337 AD 19 mm / 2.5g Mintmark SMTS (T is a little corroded) I would said: 2) City Commemorative "CONSTANTINOPOLIS" reverse anepigraph AE3 Thessalonica, 330-337 AD 19 mm / 2.5g Mintmark SMTS DELTA (T is a little corroded) You missed the greek letter delta (officina quarta, fourth office) because is a little vanished, but it is at the end of the exergue Report this Post to the Staff
Athalbert Pillar of the Community Spain 629 Posts	Posted 03/31/2015 02:17 am When I include the word "constantinopolis" is only to difference this emission from the other great emission of those times... The "VRBS ROMA". You have made a great job with your iddentification. Report this Post to the Staff
captainyesterday555 Valued Member United States 129 Posts	Posted 03/31/2015 08:34 am Thanks! I can certainly live with these coins in my nascent collection. Good point on the CONSTANTINOPOLIS clarification and the delta. Nice to have extra sets of eyes on these. Can anyone explain what exactly constituted an officina? Were they separate mint buildings around a city, separate departments within a single mint? Thanks again. Report this Post to the Staff
Athalbert Pillar of the Community Spain 629 Posts	Posted 03/31/2015 08:54 am Well, imagine... You are the mint master of one city of the roman empire. You must produce several MILLIONS of coins per year... but... 1.- You must have an effective control over the workers. 2.- You must control the quality of the coinage too. so... you need to have a great number of workers, working under supervision with masters on command. The building in that epoch simply were not bigger enought to afford that, so you must use several buildings, each of them under the authority of one chief to be capable of minting such amounts of coins... One example: Under Aurelianus there was a rebellion of the workers of the mint of Roma. In the fighting died about 7.000 soldiers... How many workers do you need to kill 7.000 soldiers? From these numbers the workers of that mint has been calculated at about 40.000... Not everyone coined, some of them carried the metal, the timber, other prepared the dies... But probably there was a great number of workers acting as "malleatores" and "suppositores"... It was more sure to control them to divide that number of workers among several buildings. That is the reason because in some epochs, a large mint as Roma had till eleven "officinae" working together Edited by Athalbert 03/31/2015 08:56 am Report this Post to the Staff
captainyesterday555 Valued Member United States 129 Posts	Posted 03/31/2015 09:52 am That's a great explanation. I appreciate it. Report this Post to the Staff
Athalbert Pillar of the Community Spain 629 Posts	Posted 03/31/2015 10:02 am I think that a coin has always a little history... was coined with a politic message; was used to pay soldiers, farmers, slaves... Was stolen, hidden, found... it slept under the ground for several centuries, and finally... it´s on your hand! I enjoy the design of the coin, but I really love learning about the coin. Report this Post to the Staff
BuckeyeCoinGuy Pillar of the Community United States 711 Posts	Posted 03/31/2015 10:05 am I think they are nice coins. Just wanted to add that is a great story Athalbert. Report this Post to the Staff
CGCoins Pillar of the Community United States 797 Posts	Posted 03/31/2015 10:47 am If you are happy with the purchase, then you did great! I probably would have been very tempted after checking if I had similar ones or not. I live in an area where the very few ancients around, are severely overpriced due to the dealers around not knowing much outside of US coins. I'm in Oregon, on the west coast of the US. I've added exactly 1 ancient in the last 6 months from local purchases, kind of sad. Report this Post to the Staff
Athalbert Pillar of the Community Spain 629 Posts	Posted 03/31/2015 2:54 pm Do you know something called "INTERNET"? it´s a kind of magic worked by fayries but it allows to you to buy coins from coin shops in every country... Try it! (...don´t hurts). jejeje GLOBALIZATION Report this Post to the Staff
Athalbert Pillar of the Community Spain 629 Posts	Posted 03/31/2015 2:56 pm But... ...wait for a minute! I´ve the same problem if I want to buy old USA notes... jejeje I use local dealers to buy local coinage, for foreigner coins I look for foreigner dealers... It´s cheaper! Edited by Athalbert 03/31/2015 2:59 pm Report this Post to the Staff
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