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How Long Would It Take Cleaned Coins To Retone?

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I bought a few cleaned walkers for junk silver. I was wondering how they would react in a dansco album. Right now they look moderately polished with a lot of wear. Over time will these coins loose their shiny appearance in a album and maybe eventially look look like it could be graded good?

Or would such coins coin in a way more similar to ms coins?
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Cleaned coins will eventually retone but unfortunately they rarely retone in a way that's pleasing. The fact is that they will probably always look cleaned. As far as how long it takes your guess is as good as mine. Now I've heard about retoning them in Taco Bell napkins and a hundred other foolish ways but even this takes quite a long time.
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If they've been cleaned/polished, they're not going to "tone" back into acceptability. If brushing or polishing is visible - as opposed to dipping or a soap & water kind of cleaning - the only solution to return them to respectability is in with the rest of the change in your pocket for a year or so.
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I bought this coin as a bright-white, harshly-cleaned coin. I put it in an old envelope for three months and it turned out like this:

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What kind of old envelope? Like would say a business envelope from the 40s work or is it just luck of the draw
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Yeah what type of envelope? It would be acceptable for me. I just paid a few dimes over spot for them, anything besides blast white would be great.
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The thing that makes silver tone "properly" is atmospheric sulfur. There's less sulfur in the air these days, with increasing environmental awareness eliminating many of the old causes of sulfur pollution (acid rain and all that), so a coin will probably tone slower after the next 50 years of exposure to open air than a coin in identical circumstances would have over the previous 50 years. But there's still plenty of sulfur about, on a small scale at least - the kitchen is a prime source, especially if sulfur-laden foods such as eggs or garlic are prepared there. This is why "the kitchen window-sill" is often quoted as an excellent place to re-tone a coin "naturally".

Other sources of sulfur are sulfur-laden paper (such as typical yellow-dyed envelopes) and rubber; contact or near-proximity to such items will accelerate toning. There are other things one could do to deliberately expose a coin to large amounts of volatile sulfur, but such techniques definitely fall under the category of "artificial toning".

It should be pointed out that it is generally considered unethical to deliberately re-tone a coin in an effort to conceal a botched cleaning job, especially using "accelerated toning" methods and especially if the coin is then on-sold without mentioning either the old cleaning or the re-toning.
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Thanks sap, rainbow morgans are my niche as a collector and I want to experiment to know the in depths of how it happens for more knowledge in the area is all
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I gotta say, TypeCoin that is a nice looking quarter (even with the cleaning scratches).
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Thanks sap, rainbow morgans are my niche as a collector and I want to experiment to know the in depths of how it happens for more knowledge in the area is all


You've seen this, right? Pay special attention to the "additional links" but read everything.

http://www.jhonecash.com/coins/tonedmorgans.asp
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Pending on where you live, try placing a coin on a raw wood block, on a window sill, facing South if possible. Inside is OK but if exposed to outside air, usually works faster. And too, depending on where you live, the amount of time and the degree of toning can vary extensively. For example in areas like Indiana where the entire area is sort of messed up due to Steel Mills, might not take to long at all.
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Yeah these coins will never be more then junk silver to me. I just want them to blend in just a little bit better with my circulated halves.
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I have some coins that have some of the toning rubbed off of the high points as opposed to cleaned (think coin cabinet with the coin sitting on a piece of felt). I have these sitting in an old yellow coin envelope (contains sulfur) with my fingers crossed the spots disappear over time.
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Omg SD, thanks for the link. I read it twice and was dreaming of monsters all night!
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Omg SD, thanks for the link. I read it twice and was dreaming of monsters all night!


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There isn't any steel mills within a few hundred miles from me, but there are several coal power plants giving us iffy air quality.
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