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 Posted 11/19/2007  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shatsi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I faced a somewhat similar situation. I emailed my Franklin(raw) want list to Wayne Herndon and I said my prefered grade is MS62-MS64 and the prices he emailed me was over graysheet MS64 prices. I emailed him back asking whether the prices are for MS62,MS63 or MS64 and his reply was they ins MS62-MS64 range. While I understand I should have just asked for MS64 instead of a range his pricing was not reasonable either.
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 Posted 11/19/2007  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bigfella to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not going to say whether offering 50% under retail is low or not. Consider this however....is your idea of retail is the book price or what the market is actually doing....consider if the dealers market is ebay or auction then the real market could be only 50% of book value...take off a dealer margin of say 25% and you will get 1/4 of book value and in my opinion the dealer offered a very fair price.

Consider that in most retail (this is the Aussie market here but I assume it is consistant all over the world) for items under $100, margins can be up to 60%. In aussieland the margin on a can of soft drink if the retailer sells at RRP is just on 60%. If you say a dealer margin of less than 50% is acceptable on similar value items then the dealer is making less than a lot of other forms of retail selling items under $100. It appears that when buying most items the general public is happy to pay for these profit margins but when it comes to collectables I have heard customers say margins of 10% are more than acceptable. If this were the case their would be no coin dealers as we would all be bankrupt. You must always keep in mind a coin dealer is a retailer and must make similar margins to other retail enterprises because at the end of the day they have the same overheads as other retail businesses. The only difference is a coin dealer relies on stock from the public...most other retailers rely on wholesalers. I can assure you that me and most other dealers have margins less than than that of other retailers.
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 Posted 11/19/2007  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add onejinx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can't just rely on what a book says the price is. You have to be a little flexible with what you are willing to pay. he way I look at is, if a book/ebay/greysheet/whatever says a coin is worth $100 for an XF grade. I allow myself 20% either way. So I will look for an XF that is in the $80-120 range. You will find dealers usually in this range. Then it comes down to how well the coin is struck and the luster.

And I agree with Bigfella. General retail prices are normally marked up heavily here in the US. When I was younger I worked for a department store and the mark up on jeans was 100%. Cosmetics ran anywhere from 300-600%. So if the store had a 20% of sale they were still raking in the money
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 Posted 11/19/2007  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shatsi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree you can't rely totally on greysheet. I've paid more than listed prices on many occasions if it has great eye appeal. What I didn't like in this situation was that his prices are over listed MS64 prices for the whole list(about 15 coins) but his grade is between MS62-MS64. To me, that's not right. If he tells all the coins are MS62 and the prices are higher I can understand it might be that the coins have an exceptional strike, outstanding coins. But how can two coins with great eye appeal in MS62, MS64 have the same price. If I were to sell him the coins I'm sure he'll be happy to pay according to the grade.

Sorry for hijacking the thread.
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 Posted 11/20/2007  05:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tonphil1960 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all, I see the points all of you are making.

Tony
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