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Hi Kurt, Your 1909 S VDB appears to be from the 3rd obverse die and the reverse from the 2nd die VDB placement. Since your coin is in plastic hard to see minute details it may be necessary to crack case. Does your coin have any dimples or pimples like the 1982 zinc copper coated, if so it may be suspect. Does it have a matt finish like proof, if so it may be suspect. Also, If the area around the mint mark, date and lower bust appear grainy that is an indication of being genuine. It should be noted that the forgeries are nearly perfect and hard to detect. This coin needs further close up inspection. Other than what was stated it's a great looking coin for the price. Good luck.
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Homer, thanks for that detailed info! Currently, I have no reason to suspect a forgery, as it's passed the accepted diagnostics, and microscopic analysis shows the telltale grain common to the alloy mix problems of this mintage. From an evidential standpoint, I wouldn't want a "false positive" to have more weight over clear indications of a genuine coin. But, you can't be too safe, so I appreciate the info!
And, speaking of hard grades...one person on another forum thought this was a VF, and another thought the color was "off". When pressed, they couldn't quantify their reasons. Unless there's a real reason to suspect a toned coin, color is simply the effect of oxidation at the nanometer scale shifting reflected light into a multitude of visible colors. Eventually, when the oxidation gets thick enough the color turns uniformly brown, hence the BN color designation by the grading firms.
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11/28/2007 4:48 pm
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BadThad-
Yeah...I almost spit out my coffee when I read "VF" lol. I think some people downgrade on these forums just to sound like a seasoned expert. I'm sure not, but I know an MS coin when I see it!
Wow, thanks for assembling that collection of slabbed PCGS Lincolns! I'm a little surprised the spotted/nicked one graded 64 RD, but maybe mine has a chance at 64 too? A few of those have that telltale "wood-grain" toning that's due to the improper alloy mix. That alone could be a diagnostic for authenticity, because it would be pretty darn hard to fake that at the microscopic level.
That MS-67 has some well-struck features on Lincoln. But $98K? There's still a hit to the "T" in "CENT" on the reverse. I'll be reasonable and guess my rim strike knocks off a point, so 63-64 RB is a reasonable grade.
Thanks for that...very cool!
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Kurt,
You're going to send that off to PCGS, right? If it doesn't come back at least MS64, I'll eat my keyboard. LOL The only thing that bothers me on that whole coin is the rim hit....and that doesn't bother me much at all. It has a solid chance at MS65 IMO. I can't wait to see what happens!
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I agree with Thad, MS64, the color looks off in the pics so I am guessing red brown for color. $1,500 is a great price for this coin, was it from a local coin dealer or online? Very nice coin, congrats!
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Thanks chrsb! If everything checks out ok, I think I got a great deal! I got this from an online auction. BadThad, so the latest from this regular at "CoinPeople" suggest the coin may be "PVC damaged". I think I've more than adequately documented this coin, but I don't mind a good laugh! If you need a little humor, check it out: http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php...ic=17459&hl=Edited by KurtS
11/29/2007 2:14 pm
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Hi KurtS,
I can't wait to hear the result of your coins too. I am too novice to give a grade/opinion on your coins. It does look lovely and it's my goal to have a similar sample in the near future....
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Thanks SilentAsian4Hire for speaking up! I already like the coin, and I think I'll be pleased with the grade. And Metalman, thanks for commenting in the other forum. I've given up on discussing the subject of color somehow as a determinant of quality or grade as if it's some unyielding rule. Without providing a physical model of why coins tarnish into a rainbow of hues, that talk merely becomes one of personal bias hiding behind numismatic "experience". The only determinant of coin color is thickness of oxidation, as I tried to explain in a brief article on that forum: http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php...wtopic=17291Ok, I think this topic is done--until perhaps it arrives back from grading, lol! Edited by KurtS
11/29/2007 11:05 pm
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