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 Posted 12/03/2007  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The vast majority of my coins are in whitman Classic Albums. Many, many also in 2x2's or plastic rolls. Way, way back I started putting the Albums in plastic bags. Some coins and Albums I have had for well over 60 years. No zip lock type back then. I push out as much air as possible. No coins have toned, hazed, discolored in all this time. No air tights, no special nothing. Just a plastic bag with air pushed out.
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 Posted 12/05/2007  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Carl, if you don't mind me asking, where did you store the bags? For how long do you want the coins to survive time? I'm always very interested in how long time collectors have stored their collections and how well they have survived. Nothing better than real life experience stories for us "younger" collectors.

On a side note to my post....

I'm hoping my Lincoln collection will survive in my family for 100-300+ years. I'm not even very concerned with the rest of my collection. I'm going to put a lengthy note with the collection explaining it's origins and instructions that whoever inherits it next, must continue upgrading it and passing it on. There's no more men in my family name and I see this as a possible way to continue it on. If my wishes come true, I can only imagine the quality and completeness of my (and my Grandfather's) Lincoln set in 300 years from today.
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 Posted 03/29/2011  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Removing air, which is where sulphur is carried, would do a lot towards preventing tarnish.

Deterioration often comes from unexpected sources. For years, manufacturers insisted that you needed to put comic books in mylar holders, because polypropylene would yellow. I put a box of comics in PP away for about ten years. Some of the bags were yellowed, some not. since the bags were identical, it came down to the paper of the comics. Those printed on cheap newspaper yellowed the bags, while the high quality white paper ones, with less acid in the paper, didn't.

If you put a typical newspaper in the sunlight, it will turn brown in a week. I had a civil war paper in a cheap plastic bag on a piece of corrugated cardboard, and it was still white! Why? Before around 1890, papers were printed on paper with high rag content. Modern paper comes from highly acidic wood pulp.

Just cutting off air doesn't solve everything. Comic preservationists figured putting books in mylar and sealing them would prevent yellowing. Instead, the acid already in the paper outgassed into the bag and back into the book, and they aged faster than sitting them on the counter. The solution was to first deacidify each page and include a pH buffer, put them in mylar, vacuum out the air, then fill the bag with inert nitrogen before sealing.

Which brings us back to coins. To be really safe for multi-decade storage (time capsule stuff) you'd want to put them in something you could suck the air out of and fill with nitrogen.

Many gas stations are now putting nitrogen in tires. It's not expensive, and fills better than air because the larger molecules are less likely to leak.
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 Posted 04/21/2011  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SA4H to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This thread hadn't been updated for a while.....

I following up with biggfredd's comment on the air issue.... have anyone thought and try to use the "food sealer" that's on TV and in Costco? The machine just suck out the air and sealed the content.... now you don't have to worry about the air but what about the materials that made the plastic seal bag...... without "air" and moisture, would those materials be lest reactive?

I can see the problem with storing the whole album or multi sheets in the "food sealer" thingy but for individual sheet, I think you can do it. Just a quick thought.
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 Posted 05/07/2011  1:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A vacuum is an unnatural state and it will seek to come to equalibrium with the environment. Vacuum storage is fine for the short term, especially in a freezer. However, over time, all vacuums will leak and the net effect will be to draw in air.
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 Posted 05/07/2011  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maineman750 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SilentAsian, I use the food sealer bags ....only have about 5-7 years experience with them, but they seem to do the trick. The only leakage problem I've had has appeared within days of sealing so I assume it was a problem at the start.
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 Posted 03/17/2021  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This thread is worthy of a bump for some of the questions I'm seeing today.
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