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Austrian/German/Dutch Pfennig ID Help?

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I must admit that I am stumped on this one. I picked it up in a group auction sometime last year. It is 15mm. It weighs 0.70g.

Austrian/German/Dutch-Pfennig-ID-Help?

My first thought was a pfennig from the German Archbishopric of Cologne (around the 1100s-1200s), but cannot nail it down. Most of those feature a bishop holding a crozier and a book, or a king holding a scepter. This person is clearly holding a bird of some kind.

The closest I have come was a pfennig from Duisburg, ca. 1152, on the acsearch.info site. Other than that, I am lost.

I hope that was not overly wordy. I just wanted to explain my thought process thus far.

Thanks in advance!
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nice coin, I like it.
I will try to find it
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This person is clearly holding a bird of some kind

now I know NOTHING when it comes to coins like this but is it possible that he is a hunter? it kind of looks like he is holding a bow and perhaps that is a falcon that he uses to help him find prey?

anyone know if falconry existed this far back? anyway just my thoughts...
Feel free to call me Will.
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If you download this file and look on the third page with pictures you will see coins with similar symbols (towers, dove, ...)
http://www.medievalcoinage.com/pdfb...ol1_1857.pdf
other mediëval books :
http://www.medievalcoinage.com/pdfbooks/
and
http://www.medievalcoinage.com/pdfb...pdfbooks.htm
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Münzen von der Grafen Von Sahn
page 158 (pdf numbering)
page 4 with pictures
http://www.medievalcoinage.com/pdfb...ol3_1863.pdf

Austrian/German/Dutch-Pfennig-ID-Help?

and even the writing looks the same

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Wow! Those pictures are scary accurate. Thank you very much! I never would have found that.
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Grafen von Sahn'? The Counts of Whipped Cream?
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hihihi!
(It is Sahne for the wipped cream)
The county of Sahn is (or was) at the south of Berg
There were different ways that it was written/named:
Sein, Sehn, Sain, ....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayn
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