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Two More From "The Twelve Caesars"

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 Posted 05/29/2015  8:45 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add orfew to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
So I went to the Toronto Coin Expo today and found 2 more additions for my Twelve Caesars collection.

The first one is a "Vesta" of Caligula. It will fill a hole until I can find a Caligula denarius.

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The second one is a very nice Vitellius

RIC 36 sear #2191 Vitellius Denarius. Tarraco mint. A VITELLIVS IMP GERMAN, laureate bust left, globe at point, palm branch before / VICTORIA AVGVSTI, Victory advancing left with shield inscribed SPQR. RSC 101.

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Thanks for looking.
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 Posted 05/29/2015  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That Vitellius is a super coin.
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 Posted 05/29/2015  8:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not familiar with this particular style of die cutting for Vitellius.
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 Posted 05/29/2015  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
maybe ric 62 on vitellius, look at this one..

http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1757082
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 Posted 05/29/2015  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add orfew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi chrsmat71,

At first I thought it was RIC 36 but the portrait is facing in the wrong direction. I was then leaning towards RIC 37 or 37 Var. Now, however, I am unsure.
I do very much appreciate your input. Thanks for the assistance.
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 Posted 05/30/2015  02:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dutchgulden to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could it be that vitellius is a fake? I see a seam right at the edge?
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 Posted 05/30/2015  03:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks very odd to me.
I Don't like the smell of this one.

Like week old 'Bulgarian' Feta
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 Posted 05/30/2015  07:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add josephrg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lettering looks to sharp to be ancient. I know a few years back a lot of fakes were coming out of Canada. Coin expo dealers should have some type of guarantee on their coins being sold.
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 Posted 05/30/2015  09:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add orfew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Dutchgulden

There is no seam on the coin, it is a trick of the lighting.

@Fvrivs

I have checked the fake coin reports on Forvm and have not found a match. This does not of course mean it is not a fake. However, I did have have the coin looked at by an expert I trust and he gave it the all clear.


Thanks to all for your input.



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 Posted 05/30/2015  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add orfew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have taken another photo of the obverse, this time with a black background.
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The areas of the eye (including arched brow) and mouth (Sly Stallone type lips) do look somewhat strange to me.
I have avoided silver for many years and claim no expertise on the subject.
That said I am still very leery of this one.
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 Posted 05/30/2015  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add orfew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is one from acsearch that looks a lot like mine.

http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1757082
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Second photo makes the coin look more authentic. Looks like he was in a good fight with a swollen eye and nose but a very nice coin
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I just don't like the look, legend seems sharper, seems embossed. I Don't trust it. ID the coin exactly, and pull more examples than the one from ACSearch. It just does not feel right. Here is one from CNG

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 Posted 06/01/2015  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add orfew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The seller has agreed to take the coin back and issue a refund. The coin is on its way back to the seller.
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orfew, I am sorry it turned out like this, but at least you will get a refund. The guys here are pretty good at spotting dodgy coins, there is a real Vitellius out there somewhere, with your name on it. You just have to find each other :)
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