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I've always meant to learn more about these but barely know where to begin. Which books are the easy way in for a beginner. It should help that I studied both Latin and Ancient Greek, although sadly it was 50 years ago.

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nş1 is a coin of Valens (Dominvs Noster Valens Pivs Felix Avgvstvs) with reverse "Gloria Romanorvm". It was struck at Siscia.
nş2 is a coin of Constantius II (son of Constantinus the great) with reverse "Gloria Exercitus" and struck at Siscia.
nş3 is a coin of Constantius Gallus
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It should help that I studied both Latin and Ancient Greek, although sadly it was 50 years ago.

It actually helps less than you might expect. Reading Greek and Latin in a nice, neat, black-and-white modern textbook is quite different to trying to read it when it's carved into a weathered piece of marble, or onto a corroded coin. When I toured Turkey last year, there was a fellow on the tour who was a Bible College lecturer in ancient Greek - and he couldn't make heads or tails out of most of the inscriptions carved into the ruins. I've never formally studied Greek or Latin at all, but I could easily pick out certain words, particularly the names and places - and this only because of my experience in reading coins.

Consider your Greek and Latin training "theory", and your coins "practical".

Let's take your first coin here as an example: the obverse legend says "DNVALEN SPFAVG" (you do have to get used to the late-Roman tendency to spread letters out, meaning A can look like H and M can look like IIII). A Classical Latin scholar is probably confused by this at first glance, and even at second glance. An experienced coin collector automatically reads this as "D N VALENS P F AVG" and knows (or can easily find out) that this is abbreviation for "Dominus noster Valens Pius Felix Augustus" (Our Master Valens, pious, fortunate, senior-emperor).

As for good books for beginners, I can recommend the six-volume "Ancient Coin Collecting" series by Wayne G. Sayles. They give broad overviews of each ancient coinage series and give helpful advice on how to identify and attribute. For Romans such as these, I would suggest trying to get your hands on a second-hand copy of an old all-in-one-volume Third or Fourth edition of the Sear catalogue. The latest "Millennium" edition is better in many respects, but it's multi-volume and huge - the fifth volume is only just finished - and buying all five books is a rather expensive purchase if you've only got a couple of Romans. The introductory chapters in Sear are excellent guides for identifying reverse types, mintmarks and such.
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I believe coin #3 is Constans. He is wearing a pearl diadem which Gallus would not have worn. The reverse also VOT MVLT XX is something which Gallus could only dream of. He got a hair cut (10 inches off the top) and didn't make it for more than a few years.
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Amazon is a good source for an older Sear "Roman Coins and Their Values".
Prices are long out of date but even the millennium edition is getting old !
Prices are really only useful in giving relative values. If one type of coin went for X and another went for 2X it is rather safe to assume that it is probably still twice as 'desirable' today.
That can change especially with rare types. Someone discovers a large hoard and the market gets temporarily flooded with a certain type. Supply and demand rules unless someone plays games by deliberately holding back !
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It should help that I studied both Latin and Ancient Greek, although sadly it was 50 years ago.


Yes Sap, this demonstrates the need for an irony font. I quickly realised that coins did not in fact use the language of Cicero. Greek coins, strangely, present slightly less of a problem. I was prompted to dig these coins out of the file because of having made out like a bandit at a recent car boot sale. Volumes 1&2 of Sears Millenium edition for £5.00. Great books, but it helps if you know what you're lookung for to begin with.

Thanks also to Athalbert and FVRIVS RVFVS for your help.
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Vol 1 and 2 for only 5 pounds is a real bargain...
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Absolutely.
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