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Any Experts On Matte Vs. Brilliant Finish 1937 Specimen Strikes?

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I'm trying to distinguish the difference between Matte Finish and Bright Finish Canadian coins, for instance the 1937's Dollar through cent...

Beside the obvious lack of luster, what to look for besides that. If a coin lacks luster even if UNC/MS/SP, how does one tell the difference between a coin simply lacking luster and a true Matte finish ?

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 Posted 06/10/2015  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lovecoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
a grainy look will be on a matte like coin a lack of luster coin will have more hairlines to
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Would love to see a Hi-Def side by side comparison, just not into the tedious job of google image hunting. ebay photos are usually not that great considering that most Matte coins are graded and the plastic interferes with clear hi-grade photos.
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 Posted 06/10/2015  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Try a search for the 1937 specimen strikes on Heritage Auctions archives....
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PCGS Registry Sets are also a good place to look at comparative images... check out the photos of those in the 1937 specimen set registry:

http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/com....aspx?c=1407
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 Posted 06/10/2015  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, I'll get on it in over the next few days/week. I need to get this settled, it's bugging me. Thanks guys for the pointers.
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 Posted 06/10/2015  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aardspeed to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are a few posts that may help:

https://goccf.com/t/102786


https://goccf.com/t/160751

Uncirculated
The word "uncirculated" means exactly what it says, the coin has not been in circulation, however "ordinary" uncirculated coins often have bagmarks, edge knocks and other small scuffs and imperfections.

Uncirculated "specimen" coins issued specially for collectors are often more carefully produced and handled, so they may be better than ordinary coins mass produced for circulation, but may still have some small imperfections.

Proof
Proof coins are specially produced to a much higher standard of finish. Originally, proofs were intended as pre-production samples. As a printer would produce a small number of "proof" copies for checking and approval, so a mint would produce proofs for approval by the mintmaster, the monarch, and for other purposes. When coin collecting began to become popular about two centuries ago, a larger number of proofs were sometimes made for sale to collectors. This has developed enormously in the past few decades, and most countries, but not all, produce proof coin and sets every year or on special occasions.

Different Proof Finishes
Not all proofs are the same. The most common understanding of proof is that the flat background parts of the coin have a highly polished mirror finish, and the raised parts of the design have a matt finish, giving a higher level of contrast between the two. This is achieved by sand-blasting the die, the hardened steel punch with which the blank coins are struck, to give a matt finish, followed by giving the raised parts of the die a highly polished surface, usually by polishing them with diamond powder. The coin blanks themselves are usually produced to a higher quality of finish before striking. Proof coins are usually double struck at lower striking speeds, to give a higher and sharper definition. They are usually produced on a special machine, and may be hand, rather than mechanically fed into and extracted from the coining press. They are usually individually inspected, and packaged. A proof coin should provide an excellent specimen, and its quality should approach perfection.
Some proof coins are made with an all matt finish, as for example the 1902 Edward VII Coronation proof coins, while others are produced as "reverse proofs", i.e. with the raised parts polished and the background matt.

PROOF:
Any-Experts-On-Matte-Vs.-Brilliant-Finish-1937-Specimen-Strikes?


UNCIRCULATED:
Any-Experts-On-Matte-Vs.-Brilliant-Finish-1937-Specimen-Strikes?

The background of both coins looks a very dark chocolate brown, but in real life they are yellow. The contrast between matt and polished surfaces shows up very well on the proof coin and this allows fine details to be seen more easily, whereas on the uncirculated coin, the raised design is also slightly polished, and this results in it being more difficult to distinguish the details of the design from the background.

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Thanks aardspeed, good articles.
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aardspeed, what on earth do those links and definitions have to do with the Canadian 1937 specimen set strikes issued in mirror and matte finish? Proof strikes were not issued by the Royal Canadian Mint until the 1976 Olympic silver and gold coins.

I am noticing a trend here - this frequent cutting and pasting into topics that are not relevant serve only to derail the thread off its original intent (reread the title to see the intent of this one) or confuse the newer collectors...
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 Posted 06/12/2015  7:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SPP-Ottawa - Yeah I kinda went: ok, so where's the Matte info...lol But it's ok, I'll just save those Proof articles to read another day.
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 Posted 06/12/2015  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The PCGS Registry Set link above is probably the best collection of photos to study...
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 Posted 06/12/2015  11:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll definitely be Examining those at PCGS, thanks!
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