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1988-P Transitional Reverse?

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ring myself a relative novice in coin collecting, this site (which I only happened upon a month or so ago) has become my primary source for learning about numismatics. I'd like to say thanks, as well, to all the experts participating here, who's generosity in sharing their knowledge and years of experience is invaluable and much appreciated.

Here is a coin I found several years ago searching through mixed circulated bank rolls. Am I mistaken in believing this to be a transitional reverse variety? In addition to pictures of the coin (no beauty, I know) and designer's initials, I've included three images showing possible markers, that I found on the Variety Vista Website.

Thanks for all the help you can give.

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 Posted 07/04/2015  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rayof315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, don't know what happened to beginning of post. Should have started: "Greetings Coin Community, Considering myself...
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Yep that looks good for rdv-006. Nice find!
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Nice find!
I have been looking for one of these for quite awhile.
It's nice to see someone find one.
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 Posted 07/04/2015  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rayof315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, thank you all. I've spent many years looking for this, as well as its Denver mint companion - that I understand is more rare. I've also been looking for a 1989 transitional reverse, but as far as I know none have been found to date. Would the coin I found be worth sending in for grading and authentication (even in its circulated condition), or is it really not that rare of a find? Have not been able to find information pertaining to this on the web. Have yet to find it up for auction on ebay either - at least not when I've thought to look.
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to CCF. Looks like it to me. I have found one or two P and one D so far. I don't think it's worth a TPG.
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Thank you, John, that's a helpful opinion. Ray
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I had no idea that this even existed! Good find... I think! Gotta find out more info...
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Wexler's Die Varieties (Doubledie.com) has a section describing both (1988P & 1988D) varieties. Look under "Transitional Designs".
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I know coop will see this post. IF coop sees this post, can you post some comparison pictures?
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rayof315,

I think the reason you do not see many of these offered is because both mints are still relatively unknown to the masses in contrast to the Wide and Close AM varieties that are listed in the Red Book and CherryPickers' Guide (CPG). I could be wrong, but I think the only book to carry these varieties is my book, coauthored with Dr. Brian Allan, Strike It Rich With Pocket Change. Even though Strike It Rich is undoubtedly the second best selling error-variety book of all time, second only to CPG, its target audience is the new collector and non-collector walking into Barnes & Noble or a mom-and-pop book store and not the more advanced established collector who gets Numismatic News, Coin World, the Grey Sheet, or buys books like the CPG or the Red Book (though some advanced collectors do "discover" Strike It Rich and do say they get a lot of out it).

I believe until these varieties get more attention they will stay relatively "best kept secrets" among the more advanced variety collectors.

I might mention that while, 1989 varieties have been rumored to exist, those rumors were originally based on a mis-attribution and that none have ever been found. Still, who knows.
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Thanks for that last snippet Ken. I keep flipping the 1989 with hope but that helps put it into better perspective.
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Rackster,
You never know what you'll find flipping over those 1989s. Who would have thought a Close AM would have been found on the 1992-P&D cents? I'm still waiting for somebody to find a solid 3.1 gram copper-alloy cent for 2008 or 2010. Since the cents struck in 2009 for Mint Sets and Proof sets are in this classic alloy, I can't help but to think at least a few of those planchets got struck for those years. On the flip side, it would seem like at least a few of the Proof/Mint Set 2009 issues got struck on the copper plated zinc planchets.
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I hadn't thought to weigh the 2008'S and 10's
Jeezzz! More needles for the haystack !
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Haha, I know Stoneman, they keep coming, I learn something new everyday after having gone through 1000's of rolls!
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Thanks Ken, I believe it was Strike It Rich that first alerted me to the 1988 transitional reverses. I did not know about the 2008 and 2010 cents. By "classic copper allow", do you mean the copper allow used for cents pre-1982? So that one might possibly be able to eyeball them first? I have, for example, a few 1983 cents that look distinctly copper to me, and which one of these days I'm going to have to get weighed.
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