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New Member
United States
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Alrighty folks, I'm a new guy around here. Hope this post is okay. I was on ebay, and came across these Two Cents. They have consecutive PCGS #'s and are both MS67. Both sold, one today and one yesterday. The odd thing is the slabs themselves. The bar codes are super far to the left and I don't know why. Also, I don't see the sonic seals that PCGS uses. I haven't been collecting for long, only a year now, but I've definitely picked up a lot. What I do know is that the coin itself is not counterfeit; it's clearly a mint state steel cent that is not reprocessed. But now the question I pose here, are the slabs fake?   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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  No idea here, maybe coop will help you out on this one. A moderator may want to move this to US Modern Coins instead of classic, however. |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1949 Posts |
They both appear to be authentic?
PCGS has changed their slab design numerous times...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4897 Posts |
#'s check out ok here..... http://www.pcgs.com/cert/ I do not collect slabs but they look ok. There are 2,280 1943-D's certified MS67 by PCGS so certainly not a rare coin. |
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New Member
 United States
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I know they aren't rare, they usually fetch $100-$120 on ebay off the top of my head. I'm still curious on why that barcode is so far to the left ok both. It's unusual for PCGS to make a mistake, let alone consecutively on two coins. Does anyone know if this is actually part of their design? Thank you for your help so far. :) |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It's unusual for PCGS to make a mistake Not sure about that. A recent BIG one here.... https://goccf.com/t/230712Lucky for them member here tend to be ethical.... To be fair. I do not collect slabs so I am a bit biased. Others will chime in. sorry for being rude should have said.... to the CCF! |
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New Member
United States
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My comment was geared towards the slabs. It's uncommon for slab errors noting that they have a system (I think) rather than manually entering in grades. Therefore, two slab errors would really be unlikely...but that's why I'm asking :) maybe this is just a PCGS slab series I'm not familiar with.
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New Member
United States
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And thank you for the welcome :)  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
12057 Posts |
There are lots of fake slabs but these don't look like them to me, and I've seen a LOT of PCGS slabs. I have a few with the white paper "cheap" label, as well. If the certs match up online which they seem to I wouldn't worry about it.
Also, PCGS's error rate is quite a bit higher than you might think, details coins graded as non-details and vice versa, denominations and mint marks mistyped, wrong coin series numbers, and complete mismatching labels have all been seen and are continuing to be seen.
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New Member
United States
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Mamy fake slabs nowadays have the certification numbers match up, counterfeiters are getting smart. I know this isn't a super high valued coin, but something doesn't seem right about the barcode and lack of sonic seals. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The bar code isn't to the left, the entire inserts were cut off center and/or printed off center. With that said I see nothing that screams fake to me. I dont have any clue what sonic seals are but this is an older pcgs slab so maybe it never had them to begin with.
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New Member
United States
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Sonic seals are those little circles on the sides of the slabs. As for the label, the odds of PCGS cutting two labels off center back to back is very low, but I never thought of that. This image is of a known fake slab:  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The little circles are just feature in the molds for the shells, they have nothing to do with the sonic sealing.
The OP slabs just appear to be from on off-center sheet in the label printer. It happens sometimes. And it it does it would ot be odd for consecutive slabs to both show the same offset.
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Moderator
 United States
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Welcome to Coin Community, peterspennies. This is a case where I think we accept the preponderance of the evidence indicating genuine coins whose labels are administrative errors. However, since there appears to be no record of prior sales of these serials - PCGS Cert Verification indicates none and I went back ten years on Heritage without seeing them - all the evidence either way is circumstantial.
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Hmm. I don't know because they seem like nice coins anyway. But, I think they are fake because those coins do not look MS 67 to me.
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Forum Dad
United States
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the odds of PCGS cutting two labels off center back to back is very low, Conder nailed it, if these come off a printer in a row, which they likely do, it would be extremely likely for several to come off like that in a row. |
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