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Grandad Wants Help With Found Coin

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 Posted 09/08/2015  06:32 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Kellie_davison to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,

I'm just wondering if someone could help my grandad out, he found some old hammered coins which we've been able to ID, but we are really struggle with this coin, any help on the coin would be greatly received

Thanks

Kellie

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 Posted 09/08/2015  06:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mayflower2020 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is your tape measure in centimeters or inches? I assume centimeters because it is broken into 10's?
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 Posted 09/08/2015  06:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kellie_davison to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's cm

Just measured it and it's around 4.5cm
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 Posted 09/08/2015  07:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


How were they found? If it was straight from the ground then it might be helpful to post pics of the others found with this one to give context wich may help ID it
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 Posted 09/08/2015  08:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mayflower2020 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To me it looks Roman. I can make out the letters ACVR in the top left picture somewhere in the middle of the word, but cant for sure make out the rest. I tried searching just that and got nowhere. I know that with a lot of Roman coins there were hundreds of different observe/reverse combinations but this one almost looks like a crest or shield on the reverse (top right and bottom left)I am not too familiar with these coins, but I know there are picture guides that look almost like the periodic table of elements that have hundreds of coins on them. That might be a good place to start.
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 Posted 09/08/2015  09:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kellie_davison to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Mayflower2020 I now have a place to start looking!!

Cascade - they was found with a EDWARD I LONG CROSS SILVER PENNY and something that looks like a flattened 20p but he thinks he knows what that one is - he came across them walking his dog on the yorkshire coast somewhere
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 Posted 09/08/2015  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely not Roman, but it is European. Can't tell more than that, unfortunately.
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 Posted 09/08/2015  12:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Indeed not roman.
I think you should be looking for Nurnberg (or Nuremberg) jeton
On the shield I see a lion, left bottom and top right?
Can you read of the legend?
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Thank you for the better images

after a 15 minute google I can already see the some that could be it, for example ROUYER - X. JETONS DE NUREMBERG Louis XIV

I'm gonna do some more research on the coin and see what I can find
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 Posted 09/08/2015  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You should read all about the Nurnberg jetons! Very nice history
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/nuremberg-jetons.html
Here are some jetons with a shield:
http://fr.numista.com/forum/topic22090.html
http://numisarchives.blogspot.be/20...archive.html
There are really thousands of different ones made since about 1500.
Krauwinckel was one of the important ones, as was the family Schultes (Schultheis): Hans, Georges and Hans (grandfather-son-grandson), Family Zwingel, Family Koch....
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The thing about jetons is, they are meant to be used as reckoning counters. This hunk of copper is just too huge to be practical in that capacity.

Two clues here:
The arms are divided into four quarters, with a small inescutcheon in the center, and in the lower left quarter we can still make out a rampant lion.
On the other side, seen in the first picture, we can still see the image of an arrow, spanning the field of the coin, with fletches to the left and point to the right. Actually, there are two arrows, crossed.

The only coin copper coin of such a size, with these features, is the one öre coin of Sweden, as it was minted between 1611 and 1654, under the reigns of King Gustav II Adolf, and his daughter, Queen Christina. Those visible letters at the left in the first pic are -OVA CVP-, from the legend MONETA NOVA CUPREA DALARENSIS. And in the legend to the left of the arms I think I can make out the INA of REGINA; I'm voting for a Queen Christina!
http://www.swedishcoppers.com/CoinTypes.html#GIIA

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 Posted 09/09/2015  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks right Phil!
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