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1972 Liberyy Cent ?

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Hello, I came across this coin after searching 10,000s of coins and I'm curious if it is a legitimate find. I would also appreciate any information including how this coin came to be if it isn't legitimate. Thank you very much!

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Nothing?
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 Posted 09/25/2015  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chipjones to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks like misaligned die to me.
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 Posted 09/25/2015  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcanniz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
the area in question is the T in liberty... I'm guessing it took a hit which pushed the metal up? not really sure
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I see the 'E' is a little crooked, and the perimeter looks "double rimmed" on the bottom right, but the 'Y' instead of a 'T' is what I'm most intrigued by. Could a misaligned die cause the 'T' to look like a 'Y'? It looks like a very accurate 'Y', which also confuses me.
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Can you post a close up photo of the end of LIBERTY?
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 Posted 09/25/2015  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joecontois to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is the best I can do with my phone.

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I'm also seeing that the 'L' looks a little crooked, there's a vertical 'line' through the right side of the 'B', and you can also see a vertical 'line' on the left side of the 'E'.
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What?!

Looks like it... Took a hit? The coin has several A LOT of other hits and scratches which tells me that it is just a coincidence.
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The line in the 'B' doesn't look like a 'hit' and the first 'Y' doesn't look like a hit to me either. It looks like a 'proper' 'Y'. I don't know. Hopefully someone knows something more. Thanks to everyone who is helping to figure this out.
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It is a counterfeit.

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I found it a little more than half way through a 5 gallon bottle that was just about full. I would guess that I've searched at least 25,000 cents before finding this cent. It didn't do any good sitting in that bottle for so many years, probably decades, so that also made it seem like a legit find. My step father has been putting pennies in this bottle for decades. Oh well, onto 20,000 more chances!
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I don't think it is a counterfeit. It looks like PMD to me. It is clearly different than the Y at the end of LIBERTY, even a smaller size. Looking at the other damage on the coin, I think it should be clear it is just a damaged letter. A hit at precisely the right location.
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I guess it's nothing. I'm still a little perplexed as to how hitting the coin can turn a 'T' into such a 'perfect' 'Y'. More specifically, it seems impossible to transform a horizontal line into the angles of the 'Y'. Then there's the matter of the vertical lines in the 'B' and the 'E'. Additionally, the 'L' and the 'E' both appear a bit slanted. Lastly, there's the 'double rim' on the bottom right quadrant of the coin. All of this together just seems like more than coincidence or a combination of perfect hits, but that seems to be the consensus. So, I'll just put it to the side, and bring it to some dealers and see if I can find another explanation. Thank you all for your insight, I'll post any interesting opinions if I hear any.
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Pretty crazy either way id hold onto it for conversation piece anyway-it definitely did not happen at the mint so that leaves counterfeit or PMD. I agree that it would be one heck of a hit to turn the T into a Y or some crafty work-i certainly dont know the answer but welcome to the forum
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