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My Latest Acquisitions: Ancient Chinese Hollow-Handle Spades

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I just bought three in a collection of coins I bought at auction. The square-shouldered one in rare, but not as rare as the pointed ones. They are all damaged to some degree, which is why the lot was largely ignored.

The square one has a casting hole (there in originality) and there are a few small cracks. The pointed ones are both broken, one with just the feet chipped off and the other shattered. The shattered one is worth about 10% of an intact specimen, and the other one is worth a conservative 25% or more. There aren't many auction records for these (these are small-size like H-2.186, not like the more-common large-size H-2.182), so I can't calculate a good estimate for the value.

The square one I have no idea of its value as there is nothing to compare it to.

As always, comments, opinions, and the like are always welcome and appreciated.

Square-Shouldered Hollow-Handle Spade (ca 600-400 BC)
Obverse: I can't make out the character.
Reverse: Blank
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Pointed Shoulder Hollow-Handle Spade (ca 400-300 BC)
Obverse: Blank (I think)
Reverse: Balnk
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Pointed Shoulder Hollow-Handle Spade (ca 400-300 BC)
Obverse: Blank (I think)
Reverse: Balnk
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 Posted 10/06/2015  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice pieces. How would these be classified as a coin or something else? I would love to add some of these to my collection but I really know nothing about them. With all the fakes out there I just can't take the chance.
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Congrats on the pick-ups, TypeCoin, and thanks as always for the collection updates and write-ups. I see the square footed types with some frequency on coin sites and auction catalogs, but rarely see spade coins shaped like these. Very interesting.
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 Posted 10/07/2015  05:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidUK to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not my field at all, but I enjoy seeing such things.

I would presume that there is both low demand, and low supply of these things... what does that do for their general value? Also like Echizento says the amount of fakes is also off putting for people to get into these.
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I would presume that there is both low demand, and low supply of these things... what does that do for their general value?


Actually, the demand for these coins hasn't really fallen for these coins as much as you might think. The rarer pieces are still going for as strong or stronger prices than they were 5-10 years ago. A traceable provenance to before 1985 nearly doubles the value as the coin is unquestionably guaranteed genuine.

Yes the high amount of counterfeits does deter collectors, but that happened decades ago when the really good counterfeits were around, and the interest level has stayed about the same. But this is just for the expensive ($30+) stuff.

The hype that the Chinese coin market is flooded with fakes, while true, shouldn't be a deterrent for the collector beginning to collect Chinese. Though I have seen some counterfeits of the cheap stuff, they are very easily spotted when one knows what to look for as the counterfeiters don't want to spend their time on making good counterfeits of $5 coins. Genuine cash is plentiful, even on ebay, and completing a collection of the inexpensive varieties would take years because of the huge amount of varieties.

There are lots of collectors collecting Chinese cash, but that number is relatively minuscule. AS such, they usually have to resort to online methods to buy their coins, not coin shows or coin shops. This, and the fact that dealers have over-estimated the value of Chinese cash, is the reason that dealers' inventories are not selling as well as they used to. The going rate for common Ancient Chinese cash (Wu Zhus, Huo Quans, small Ban Liangs, etc.) is about $3-5 or less. Most dealers have them price at 3-5 times their going price, so most people don't buy from them. They stick to ebay or Wholesale internet sellers such as Bob Reis or Frank Robinson.

In summary:
1. Cheap Stuff remains cheap, no matter how old or interesting it is. They have increased in value a little, but not much.

2. Expensive stuff, in provably genuine, is in very high demand and is worth far more than it was worth 5-10 years ago.
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 Posted 10/07/2015  07:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
How would these be classified as a coin or something else?


They are made of metal and were a commonly accepted means of commerce. In addition, they were not robust enough to be used as agricultural implements, meaning some other use that does not necessitate sturdiness.

Does that not make them coins?
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 Posted 10/07/2015  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps you can find more here:
http://primaltrek.com/spade.html

Beware that even these are faked a lot. (I do not say these are fakes)
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 Posted 10/07/2015  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add davidhartill to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congratulations on getting such nice coins. Who cares if they are a bit broken? They are still old and interesting.
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Cool! I got David Hartill's attention. This is a shout out to say I really love your Cast Chinese Coins book. It is very easy to look up coin varieties and attribute them.
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