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GSA Morgan Holders And Brown Ike Holders

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Aren't these holders essentially the same? They look the same from the outside and were both issued in the early 70's. So then why after 40 years in these holders are the Morgans still pristine, and it seems like 75% of the proof silver Ike's have that ugly haze to them? Everyone always blames the holders they are in from the plastics made and the gasses they put off. If that is so, shouldn't we see issues with the GSA Morgan holders as well?
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 Posted 10/07/2015  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AES to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've thought about this as well. I believe the brown Ike proof finish is much more susceptible to environmental conditions. The Morgans have a thicker skin, so to speak.
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A morgan and an ike have very different surface structures and alloys so even if the gsa and brown ike slabs are the exact same material I would expect the coins to behave differently even under the same conditions
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I don't think the "haze" on my avatar that is a brown ike is ugly.
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There are slight differences in the holders, however they are essentially the same.
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Hey kid, I was gonna use your abominable snow ike as an example of good ike haze. But I knew you'd chime in
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Proof coins like the Ikes have a different finish than those of just regular Morgans. Maybe that is why they have a different look to them even though they are in essentially the same type of holder....Maybe a difference in materials for the holders I do not know.
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The holders are the same, the coins are not.

Something to consider is how the OGP holdered coins were treated by previous owners. Read these posts from Conder101...

https://goccf.com/t/65581#522048
https://goccf.com/t/168141&whichpage=2#1551069

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It's all about thin-film interference and how different surfaces & alloy combinations develop this film. The very basics of natural toning in all forms on all coins

Read about it here...
http://www.jhonecash.com/coins/tonedmorgans.asp
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Wow, conders theory of heat induced out gassing on brown ikes from dealers trunks is sound and outside the box so to speak. Pardon the pun lol
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Yes, I buy it because my 1974 OGP smells like sunshine.

That is, it smells like it had been in a hot place for a while. Not just the plastic, but the brown box as well.
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You also have to consider that the GSA dollars had almost 100 years to develop a protective patina before they were put in the holders. The brown Ikes on the other hand had surfaces that were pristine and probably reactive.


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I don't think the "haze" on my avatar that is a brown ike is ugly.

Your opinion, others opinions may and in many cases do differ. No offense, but to me it is ugly. I would either not buy it or if I did I would dip it out to get rid of the haze.
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You also have to consider that the GSA dollars had almost 100 years to develop a protective patina before they were put in the holders. The brown Ikes on the other hand had surfaces that were pristine and probably reactive.
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