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Hi, I have two of the aforementioned tokens. Both have the same obverse and one has the Horter 'NOT ONE CENT' open wreath reverse. The other one has a similar wreath, though somewhat different on the bottom middle, but the main difference is that this one has ' ONE CENT' on it. I'm just curious of this one's rarity and value and if it is also a Horter reverse. I'd guess that it is. The coins are vf/ef. I can't get a good picture of them in the 2x2's, but I'll take them out if necessary to take pics. I appreciate if someone can share what I'm having a hard time finding. Thank you!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Without Die numbers I had to page through the possibilities in DIE-A-GRAM NO. P-44 in my 5th Edition of Patriotic Civil War Tokens. Number 44 deals with open at top wreath designs bearing the words "Not One Cent". Then taking the 23 die numbers I examined the Die photos in Section 3.
The only possibility I see is Die 373 that has the word "Not" at the very top up against the rim. Any possibility with the circulated condition of your piece that the word "Not" is hidden up along the rim?
Table 15-2, Alphabetical Listing of Legends, shows Die 261 as the only die saying One Cent. However that design has a small Union Shield at the top between the open wreath ends.
I guess I'm at the point where I'll need good clear pics to go any further.
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By scrolling through these images, you may be able to match the obverse and reverse dies for your tokens with the pics: http://www.cwtsociety.com/PatrioticPics/index.htmlWithout pics of your tokens, the Fuld die numbers are needed. Pics are far better, as many dies are quite similar. |
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I don't know what I'm doing wrong with the image optimizer or if it's in part due to my phone but hopefully this is enough to work with. Thanks again.
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Joe ... It appears to me that the word NOT was removed from the reverse. I can see a trace of the top left post of the N in NOT and a trace of the top right tip of the T in NOT. If another CCF member hasn't attributed the Fuld numbers tomorrow, I'll see what I can do.
Over my fifty years of collecting CWT's, I've seen many a piece that lacked the word NOT. Oftentimes though, the removal was far more shabbily done. It may well be that your token was altered to fool collectors into suspecting it was a rare variety. While there is a slight possibility that this was due to say a grease-filled die or some other striking anomaly, I'm initially doubting that explanation here. A close-up pic of that missing NOT area would help.
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Wow, good call. I didn't even notice that, I guess I didn't look hard enough. I would need a digital microscope to take a closer pic. Also, is that a Cud on the obverse by the date? Thanks a bunch. |
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Using the image optimizer, here's a sharper, enlarged pic, better showing that NOT was removed:  I believe that this is Fuld's die 357. The obverse is die 86 which typically evidences the Cud below the date. This combo, 86/357 is rated R-2. The other piece is 87/356, an R-1. Looks like it was struck from rusted dies, a late die state. Both of these tokens have been attributed to Horter Edited by ExoGuy
11/08/2015 3:12 pm
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I noticed the stars looked a little smaller on one of them. Soo, value?
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I'd estimate a value of $20 for the pair, figuring $5 for the damaged one. These tokens will have more appeal to a novice collector at a low cost.
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Posted 11/07/2015 9:17 pm
