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1902 Great Britain Farthing For Grading

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Raw coin in packet

1902-Great-Britain-Farthing-For-Grading

1902-Great-Britain-Farthing-For-Grading

1902-Great-Britain-Farthing-For-Grading

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 Posted 11/16/2015  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These coins were "Blackened" at the Mint after being minted.
Some of the blackening has been rubbed off but this still looks to be Uncirculated to me.
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I think that bit of rub would put it at an AU58
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I think that bit of rub would put it at an AU58

I doesn't look like wear to me (I could be wrong, The Gods know I have before ) .
I don't know the process they used to "Blacken" these coins Maybe a more learned collector could "Enlighten" Me,
But it is only a super thin layer over the original lustre of the coin and is prone to the least amount of friction.
This coin is graded PCGS MS64 and there are small areas the "Blackining" have been lost.

http://www.PCGS.com/cert/33193769

I can't see any real wear on the OP's coin and it still has that underlying lustre that's why I called it at MS62-3
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NEF or USA MS71
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Indeed they were blackened, it was to deter people trying to pass off extremely lustred farthings as half-sovereigns which became quite a problem.

It's also not lustre underneath, they didn't just coat the coin with a dark patina, they toned it a dark colour, so any lighter colours in this example will be the result of wear.

The link you posted hasn't had the patina removed, as I said it is the colour of the coin and not a layer, it is just that the toning process has not affected this coin as severly as others. You do also find years that missed the toning process altogether, and are much more sought after.
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I'll say au 58 or ms 62 luster is disturbed in fields but see slightest wear on the dress hanging on the shield, and arguably the Kings cheek
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EF ...for me feel the reverse would look better out of the flip.
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MS-60 the rim edges and right arm have a couple of minor dings- minor corrosion bottom of shield- nice coin
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These coins were treated with Sodium Thiosulphate (Na2S2O3 photograpic hypo) by the Mint to artificially tone them. This was done to avoid confusion with the Half Sovereign, which used same same obverse dies for both coins.

The artificial toning is copper sulphide, which is a grey / black colour.

I would think AU58 because some of the metallic bronze is showing underneath the high point on the beard. For that to happen, a tiny amount of wear must have taken place to expsose the metal.
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