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You Vs PCGS 1833 Half Dime

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 Posted 01/09/2016  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU-55 details (cleaned).
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Im going to go with AU 53.
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AU53 details/cleaned
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The OP said it graded problem fee, FYI.
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Don't care what PCGS said about it, it's definitely been cleaned (at least from the looks of these pics)
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inside of the denticles look as if there is no good black crud. I am thinking AU details,cleaned as well.
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 Posted 01/10/2016  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ChildOfTheWheat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Don't care what PCGS said about it, it's definitely been cleaned (at least from the looks of these

Well, yeah it's been cleaned at some point (most coins have), just not to the point where it gets a details grade. The photos are just to bad to show the natural luster of the coin, and instead it's showing a coin with full, grey fields.
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 Posted 01/10/2016  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add davec13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the slab picture.
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Don't care what PCGS said about it, it's definitely been cleaned (at least from the looks of these pics)


When you're working at PCGS one day as a grader will these be the arguments presented to your co-workers?

Stop being so definitive and authoritatively toned in your opinions young man, you'll learn more that way.

Secondly, as pointed out by COFTW, a majority of 19th century coins have all been touched in some way shape or form, just some worse than others. I don't doubt this beauty saw a bit of water and rag at some point in the past 150 years but I also have handled enough 19th century sliders to opine on the difference between a harsh cleaning, which would have justifiably netted a details grade here, and a "slider". IMHO, this coin most likely saw a bit of over-handling as it was passed down through time.
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from the pics I would of said "cleaned" but seeing grade I see it came back no problem .....

While grades often help us they seldom take the place of our eye and the appeal one coin has over another and that is the case this this coin .....

no matter what the label says, it looks clean whether it is or not or if common or not .......

What does matter to me is eye appeal.
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Still looks cleaned to me. Wouldn't be the first time PCGS blew it.
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The slab pictures show a well-presented lower AU with natural surfaces and remaining luster is evident. I'd say 80+% of surviving higher grade coins from the Bust series have been cleaned at some point or another, including some in problem free MS holders; this is why hardcore collectors pay a super premium for 100% original surfaces. If PCGS were going to bodybag every single cleaned pre-Civil War coin, most of their submissions would come back in Details slabs. Since the cleaning is somewhat inevitable, they simply use the nature and result of the cleaning to adjust the grade accordingly; a harshly cleaned AU with unnatural shine but no luster might get dropped down to a VF35 or XF40 if it straight grades, but a lightly wiped AU58 (100 years ago) that has retoned nicely since then and has good eye appeal, will probably not suffer any grade point deductions.

A better way to explain this would be to say that yes, PCGS does grade and slab cleaned coins into problem-free holders (mostly pre-Civil War silver and gold) but the coins may suffer grade deductions based on the extent and result of the cleaning and retoning. This is a business necessity since most of these coins have been cleaned one or more times.
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Typical strike weakness on the reverse. Will go AU-55
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