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Oliver Cromwell Farthing

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 Posted 01/11/2016  1:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add spider3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello from France
I have this coin, an Oliver Cromwell farthing I believe.
Diameter near 21 mm, weight 3,53g, copper.
It seems to be a real coin but I would like to have your opinion about it, fake or real?
An idea about the value?
Thanks for your help because it is difficult to find information in my country about this coin.

Regards



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 Posted 01/11/2016  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnDeVito to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looking up the motto, perhaps...

http://24carat.co.uk/frame.php?url=...iptions.html

http://www.coinsgb.com/Cromwell/4-Farthing.html

http://cromwellcoins.com/html/rogues_gallery.html

The only place I was seeing a picture of the coin with that motto was of a forgery. Seems that they are extremely rare.
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 Posted 01/11/2016  3:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fourmack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cheers Don

Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut.
"Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
Rest in Peace
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 Posted 01/11/2016  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Spider3, to CCF.
This is or could be an amazing coin. IMHO
Sorry I do not know how to tell the real from fake.
Lets see what other CC members think.
Fourmack and JohnDeVito thanks for posting the links.
We will see.
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 Posted 03/20/2016  05:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rob_ccs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wish I owned it.

The Peck (English Copper, Tin & Bronze coins in the British Museum) lists this as #390 Pattern Farthing (edge plain, diameter 22mm)
It's apparently an official pattern struck in 1658 (or possibly, late 1657).
The discrepancy in diameters is probably immaterial - I'm assuming that it was struck without a collar - in which case a stronger strike is likely to result in a greater diameter (evident in the "stretched tooth borders" in later copper issues)
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 Posted 03/20/2016  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billjones to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am a novice British collector, but I've been collecting U.S. coins for over 55 years.

This coin looks suspicious to me. The surfaces do not appear to have that much wear, yet the bust of Cromwell has no fine detail, and the center of the reverse design is missing. Quite often counterfeiters lose this sort of detail when they try to make a copy from a real coin. This example is very extreme of that, but my judgment is that the piece is a counterfeit.

As some of you know, I am collecting one coin for each English king or in this "leader." Call me crazy. Here is a genuine Cromwell shilling. This piece would grade VF-EF using American standards. NGC called it EF-45. No matter it's a pretty nice coin.

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