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Calculating Melt Value - 14k RCM Gold Coins

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 Posted 01/19/2016  03:59 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Wandering Eskimo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Quick question... Know this has likely been asked before, but I have failed to find an exact / explicit answer to my question here on the forums.

I'm not an expert in calculating melt values of mixed-content coins, and I was wondering if somebody could help?

The RCM releases an annual $100 gold coin. Total weight is 13.338 grams, and to my knowledge, content is .583 gold and .417 silver.

Would the melt value of this coin be the sum of the parts (gold content + silver content), the value of the gold solely, or is a further discount applied because the metals are minted together (forming the 14k gold)?

Any advice here would be appreciated! Calculating melt values on non-pure coins is new to me!
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 Posted 01/19/2016  08:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would look at the buy price for 14ct scrap gold.
No need for refining or chemical assay costs on recycling.
14 ct scrap gold once the purity has been tested (which is fairly easy to do), can be easily recycled as 14ct gold into other coins or jewelry.

Ask a bullion dealer for their buy prices. It would vary according to the amount you have to offer them, but I am very sure that they would trust the stated purity of an RCM product, after the authenticty of the coin has been proven.
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My experience has been that dealers only use the value of the gold content to determine the melt value of a 14K coin since the intrinsic value of the coin's silver content is so minimal (~1% of the total value).

At today's prices, the silver content in a RCM 14K coin is worth only about $2.50 USD vs. its gold content being worth over $270 USD.

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Actual melt values mean nothing in the real world, what is relevant are actual buy/sell values.
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I don't know of anybody that bothers calculating the silver value of the RCM commemorative gold coins. When we buy/sell them, we also ignore it because, as commems explained, its a minimal value by comparison to the gold value.

I have also never met a refiner that takes it into account, either.
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 Posted 01/20/2016  03:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wandering Eskimo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, everyone!

@commems: this makes so much sense that I'm embarrassed I asked... when you "melt" it all down (pun intended), the value of the silver is nominal in relation to the gold.
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A few more details here... the reason I was asking about melt value was because I was offered a 14k Gold Coin by a colleague at a price that I thought was pretty fair.

I wound up making the purchase, and I thought I would throw some details out there to see if I made a good move. Here we go:
$100 14k Gold Coin
150th Anniversary of Alexander Graham Bell's Birth
Issue Year - 1997
Weight - 13.34 grams (same as all $100 14k gold coins)
Mintage, according to RCM - 14030
Original Box - Included
COA - Included
Melt Value - $390
Price - $355 CAD (no shipping as it was local, and no taxes as it was private sale)

Here's an image of the coin:
Calculating-Melt-Value---14k-RCM-Gold-Coins

I know the coin isn't particularly desirable, but I purchased for a few reasons:
1) It complements other $100 14k gold coins I have.
2) I'm a sucker for technology and history themes (among others).
3) The coin was priced below melt value.
4) I had an incredibly crappy week at work, and the diversion was relatively cheap compared to other expenses incurred (stretching... I know).

Good move or not? Would you have done the same? After the week I've had, don't beat me up too badly!!
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If you like such coins and a chance to buy below bullion, sure it's a great buy, the Canadian dollar is still under pressure and will continue as the new Liberal government will almost surely spend us into oblivion.
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