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 Posted 03/11/2016  12:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would imagine his husband would have been more of a shock to the Romans. Sadly, I don't think he was ever honored on a coin.
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 Posted 03/11/2016  09:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The overall picture that emerges of Elagabalus is of a very immature youth who was terribly confused with regard to his sexuality, and utterly unrestrained in his carnal experiments.
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 Posted 03/11/2016  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jskirwin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure his homosexuality would have been a big deal at the time. I was thinking more about his elevation of the sun god above Jupiter in the Pantheon. But even accounting for the bias of later historians it does seem his aunt Julia Maesa and mom Julia Soaemias did little to control the little creep.
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The Roman perspective was that what was euphemistically referred to as "Greek love" was actually considered not out of place in the process of an older man mentoring a younger one, particularly in the initiation of the latter into a martial career. A century earlier, the Hellenistic proclivity of Hadrian (one of the "Five Good Emperors") in this regard was an open secret, and while he wasn't especially popular, the issue didn't bring him down. But Hadrian was conventional, accomplished, and highly capable in other respects, all protections that Elagabalus never enjoyed.
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I do recall from somewhere that in Roman society, it was not the relationship itself, but rather one's role within that could be considered shameful. While "married" to his male servant, he publicly declared himself to be the "wife", which would have spit on the custom that only males could hold the supreme title of Augustus.

That said, I have to admit that I feel somewhat sorry for him--he had barely even reached adulthood when his actions dealt him a summary death sentence from his troops. Had his mother and grandmother not been so hungry to get back into power, he might have matured a bit and been a more temperate, effective ruler.
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 Posted 03/12/2016  12:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This thread actually inspired me to dig out my own Elagabalus coins:
Elagabalus-Denarius

None are especially high quality, but he is not an especially hard emperor to find, at least for provincials.
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My collection focuses on the Severans. Their dynasty would make for an excellent movie, complete with strong female characters (Domina, Maesa), brotherly hatred (Geta vs Caracalla), intrigue (Julia Maesa's usurping of Macrinus followed later with her ditching Elagabalus in favor of her grandson Alexander), and that's after the Godfather-like moves by Severus to achieve ultimate power in 193.

I think Elagabalus's personal morals damaged the empire much less than his predecessors (Nero, Caligula) so would agree that he gets a bad rap. But his brief reign produced 3 empress coins including one, Annia Faustina denarius, that is extremely rare.
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I didn't realize there was actually a book devoted to chronicling Elagabalus' excesses....

See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...emperor.html for a synopsis that's a fascinating read on its own.
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I've begun reading the book referenced above (The Crimes of Elagabalus by Martijn Icks) and an interesting aspect of the author's approach is how frequently he considers numismatic evidence in deciding how much credence to give one or the other conflicting historical accounts. I may be inspired now to additionally seek out some of the specifc issues and types he cites.
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 Posted 04/01/2016  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's yet one more....

Elagabalus-Denarius

Elagabalus-Denarius

If I'm interpreting the reverse legend correctly, Elagabalus is being touted as the "father of his country" which is a hoot.
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I have quite a few Elagabalus of various types. I will share this one.

Elagabalus Denarius

Obv:- IMP ANTONINVS PIVS AVG, laureate, horned, draped and cuirassed bust right
Rev:- INVICTVS SACERDOS AVG, Elagabalus standing holding patera over an altar and branch. Star in right field. Horn on ground to his left
Minted in Rome. A.D. 222
Reference- BMC 209 note. RIC 87 (where it is rated Common citing Cohen). RSC III 58. Cohen 58 (illustrated with star in right field) valued at 50 Fr. No examples in RD.

ex Numismatica Ars Classica NAC AG Sale 42, Lot 379, 20th November 2007
ex Barry Feirstein Collection, previously privately purchased from Harlan J. Berk.

Described as Lightly toned and good extremely fine by NAC.
21 mm. 3.11 gms. 0 degrees.

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 Posted 04/22/2016  12:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've just finished reading The Amazing Emperor Heliogabalus by J. Stuart Hay, published over a century ago. Hay was an unabashed apologist for Elagabalus, contending that he was a "gentle" and "affectionate" boy, generous and eager to please, almost universally beloved, and that rather than the citizenry being repulsed by his eccentricities, were entertained and at worst only mildly disconcerted by them. He dismisses Elagabalus' reported cruelties as either essentially harmless pranks or even outright fabrications that suited the needs of his cousin and successor, Severus Alexander, in justifying Elagabalus' murder. On the other hand, while Hay completely discounts accounts of Elagabalus' capacity for wanton terror, he credulously credits one that has Elagabalus (at age fourteen) recklessly riding amongst troops failing in battle, cutting down with a sword those fleeing, and thus more or less singlehandedly carrying the day - an utterly ludicrous story. Hay makes much ado over other anecdotes that supposedly demonstrate Elagabalus' bravery (often bordering on foolhardiness), none of which are particularly believable, either.

Hay seems more on target in detailing Elagabalus' extravagances, and he also gets it right in focusing on Elagabalus' religious fanaticism, particularly his desire to subordinate the traditional Roman gods to his eastern deity, which was deeply offensive and hence a serious problem that ultimately undermined his secular authority. Yet Hay finds it incomprehensible that the mob would've dragged Elagabalus' corpse though the streets and throw it into the Tiber.

Flawed as it is, there's one good thing about this book, though - even the original edition has several plates illustrating various coins of the era. Again, reconstructing much of the history of the period requires a good deal of reliance upon numismatic evidence.
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Another I came across today. Considering this emperor's single-minded religious orientation, it seems apropos that Sol is depicted on the reverse, and again there is a star in the field. This appears likely to fall under the desription of RIC 40, but the seller thought it to be an unlisted variation due to the star's placement to the right of Sol rather than the to the left. Your thoughts?

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Another I just acquired. I have this as RIC 16, dating to 219 AD. The detail extant on the reverse is sufficient to permit critique of this particular artisan's depiction of Roma, whose face in this case seems grotesque and cartoonish, and whose hand grasping the spear looks rather like a claw.

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What a mug!

I actually just sprung for your denarius' big brother:

Elagabalus-Denarius
Elagabalus-Denarius

Good pick up!
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