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 Posted 02/07/2016  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LibertyEagle20 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seems like I still have some research before I pull the trigger. Jaobler I always see the "no motto" $20 eagle up for sale so I assumed it was common. I'll try to look for years outside of those you mentioned. I kind of like the observe of the $10 Indian too but I'm not a huge fan of the reverse. What trusted sites do you guys recommend outside of ebay? I used to use APMEX but most of their listings are either for a generic grade (doesn't show the coin) or its for just a random year.
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 Posted 02/07/2016  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like 1907 and 1908 No Motto Indian $10 eagles. The perfect size for a coin - halfway between a quarter and a half dollar - and the early Indian is an excellent design. They trade for around $700 in a slab in XF-AU. Harlan Berk usually has a good stock of common gold.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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 Posted 02/08/2016  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LibertyEagle20 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well..I sure didn't hold out for long. Saw this go up for sale and made an offer. Seller originally wanted a little over $400 but I got it for $375. It's a PCGS MS62. I ran the number to validate but there's no pictures on PCGS to know for sure. I know it's definitely not perfect.. I see some hits on the reverse and a scuff. I did think the price was right and I didn't break the bank though. I hope it was a good first purchase to better understand this type of coin. Any opinions?

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 Posted 02/10/2016  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LibertyEagle20 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I continue to browse listings since I've only spent a portion of my budget. I'm anxiously awaiting the $5 coin in my last post. Does anyone know why the $10 Indian gold coin commands such a premium? Even on sites like provident, common date liberty head $10 are about $100 less than Indians even though the liberty coins are older. A decent Indian $10 can run $900-1000+ but you can get double the gold in a st gaudens for like $1400-1600. Why is that? Thanks.
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 Posted 02/10/2016  1:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add terry8835 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As far as low mintage gold I think some real values are in the Liberty Head gold coins. Many had a very long history so making a full set would be a job. However, there are many with very low mintage that sell for a small premium over much higher mintage coins. This is a better time to buy than sell so be ready to hold onto your purchase for a while. I agree that the bigger the better since you get a better deal for Liberty Head $20 than Indian Head $2.5 or $5 or $10 as far as the gold value IMO. I see 1892 Liberty Head $20 with mintage of 4430 that sells for around $2000. If this were a Saint it would sell for ten times that much probably. I cannot explain it but there it is!
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 Posted 02/10/2016  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congrats on your purchase! If you are satisfied then you did fine, and the price was really good for a PCGS MS62 example.

I would quibble with the grade however. I see what looks like pretty obvious friction in the fields on both sides and on the high points. Based on these images I'd have pegged it as AU-58. If the luster is basically intact across the fields however then it should still be acceptable as mint state.
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 Posted 02/11/2016  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LibertyEagle20 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I got it today. Luckily it doesn't look as "flat" as the pictures. I was afraid maybe it was dipped from the pictures. The reverse has that cartwheel type luster. The observe is a little more dull. I think it is a slider and could have went either way (AU or MS). It looks to be problem free with no indication of a cleaning. Overall I think I did fine for the price. I can see why people recommended getting at least a $5 piece. Anything smaller would be tough to see the details on. The problem now is I want more but gold isn't something I can afford to buy very often!!
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 Posted 02/11/2016  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add giorgio11 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I personally think the Saint Gaudens eagle design is quite underrated. You just see the denomination overall at auction/for sale so much less than either the $5 or $20 denomination. There are a ton of alternatives to LCS/eBay, dealers who have independent websites and good credentials -- I have been a dealer more than 50 years but there are many others where you can buy nice gold or other coins at fair prices. Harlan J Berk as mentioned is a great firm, Stack's, David Kahn, Heritage, I have dealt with all of them, and I like HallMark Rare Coins down in Tennessee (the other David Hall). The Liberty tens in high grade are quite spectacular too. Good luck in your search and congratulations on buying your first gold coin! I think you did well.

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George
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 Posted 02/12/2016  09:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LibertyEagle20 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks giorgio11. I tried Harlan but almost every coin says "call for price." I emailed them about a coin and just got a short generic reply to call. I'm not interested in calling every time I want the price. I just want to use the webpage and buy something. I've also tried provident and APMEX and all their listings are for a specific grade but random date. I'm not interested in that either. This is why I usually go to ebay. I really wish I had a trusted dealer locally. Do you still deal coins? If I did that I'd end up keeping everything haha!
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 Posted 02/12/2016  09:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Have you looked in Google for coin shows in your area? Beste place to buy anything.
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 Posted 02/12/2016  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add giorgio11 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ssa330206 yes I am a dealer and a collector as well. My website link is below, and while I would welcome your business, I am not soliciting you. Exactly. I understand the reluctance to call about a specific coin, but if you establish a personal relationship with a dealer, or sometimes just ask for the best price you can, you can save considerable money. You can't do that on a webpage, although some sites like Northeast Numismatics/Northeast Coin do have a Make Offer button.

There are lots of dealers, many of them one-person or small operations, who are collectors at heart. Those are the ones I especially like to deal with, as they believe as I do, "Life is too short to buy ugly coins." But large firms (and small) have to keep up with the market, so with a larger inventory it's hard to price every coin, esp. gold.

Good luck in your searches!

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George
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 Posted 02/17/2016  10:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadToTheBone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well let me add get the best you can afford especially since your buying gold. You want to get the best example that you can get.
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 Posted 02/17/2016  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add terry8835 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What is a good price for Saint Eagle in MS60 for common coin? I ask the same question about the Double Eagle Saint? If it were me I would try and buy one of the rare Double Eagle Saints like 1908S, 1909D, 1913S or 1914. These coins all have mintage less than 100,000 and except for 1908S do not sell for huge premium over more common coins. I see some of the Saint Eagles with low mintage that also sell for not much more than common ones. I did read in "Coins" magazine where one of contributors took some $20 rare Saints to Heritage and got only $1900 for 1908-S in VF and 1914 in MS62 for $1800. That is pretty low for coins with mintage less than 100,000.
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 Posted 02/17/2016  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LibertyEagle20 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Terry you always post such good information but I never see anyone respond with answers. Maybe it's just that no one knows. I've been using the "PCGS auction prices realized" and "PCGS population" to determine rarity. I also add in "NGC population." I know mintage isn't everything with the double Eagles because of melting down coins though. I read about one year that was thought to be rare but they later found a ton in some banks vault overseas. It sounds like these coins found their way all over the world. I don't know why anyone buys the common years double Eagles (someone listed them earlier). The 08 no motto has a PCGS pop of 130,000 while the 1924 pop is over 284,000!! You can get something like the 10-d for around the same price and its pop is under 7,000! I think there's some real value if you are patient and wait for the right coin. I've noticed that the Gaudens has held pretty steady in price even in years when gold melt was half of what it is today.
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 Posted 02/17/2016  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuckeyeCoinGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I could be wrong, but I think the lack of premium on some what should be scarce gold coins comes from the fact that there are very few collectors out there attempting date and mint mark sets of gold compared to other coins.

Most gold collectors I know are like me. I want the US type set which I define as the $2.50, $5.00, $10.00, and $20.00 coins. Liberty Head and Indian / Saints.

I don't include the gold dollars. I don't include the $3 or $4 coins. I don't include the older coins or exotic mintmarks. Just can't justify those purchases on my type of budget / income.

Maybe it is just the crowd I hang with, but a type set is more than enough for most gold collectors I know. After the type set, I just look for good gold coins. My sweet spot in buying gold is the $5 piece and the $10 piece. $2.50 coins have too much premium and $20.00 coins take up too much paycheck.


Gold is pricey regardless of the spot price of gold. I just try and cut spending to pay for my gold habit.


Store bought coffee in the morning, no thank you. Make one at home and get the rest free at work. Right there you just bought yourself a nice $5 Liberty Head coin every year.

$15 haircut every few weeks, no thank you. I'll buy a $15 set of clippers and wear the buzz cut and enjoy my extra $5 Liberty Head every year going forward.



As for buying a gold piece, I'd recommend either David Lawrence or Doug Winter. Doug has the wow factor, Lawrence has a huge selection.
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