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Identified: Afghanistan ½ Rupee 1888

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I posted this coin a long time ago in a now long-lost thread (at least, I couldn't find it by quickly skimming through the archive). So, here 'tis again.

I have Richard Plant's book on reading Arabic coins, but I think this one will need the assistance of a native speaker and/or a true expert in the Islamic/Indian States series.
Identified:-Afghanistan-½-Rupee-1888 Identified:-Afghanistan-½-Rupee-1888
Sizewise, it's 14mm across. Stylistically, I'm thinking central Asia - Iran/Persia, Afghanistan, or perhaps the 'Stans to the north (from before they were conquered by the Russian Empire), 1700's or 1800's. But I haven't been able to find a specific, exact match. The characteristic "Morse code border" this coin has - dot-dot, dot-dot, dot-dot - has so far eluded me.

The coin is dated, but the date isn't quite legible. One side seems to say "36", the other appears to have part of a number, too - there's a "3", and the remains of other numerals. "1336" is my best guess, but that would equate to AD 1917/8, and this coin simply doesn't look that modern.

I'm at a loss, and happy to hear any input.
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Hi Sap,
did you try at https://www.zeno.ru I got most of my Indian and Islamic coins identified on that site.
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I have scoured Zeno.ru, but I haven't actually posted it there. Trouble with Zeno is, I don't really know where to start looking!
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Sap, at the bottom of Zeno there is a forum titled: Help in Identification. Post your picture there, and I'm sure one of them will be able to help you out. :)
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Hi Sap, on the left pic I think the word "Sultan" is written, and on the right pic the name "Abdul Rahman" is written.
Regarding the date, I cant realy find it. So if you can just tell me where it is written, may be I can help.

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eg_collector said:
...on the right pic the name "Abdul Rahman" is written...

Thank you, eg, I believe that you have provided the vital clue that has helped me solve this one.

Looking up the list of people with that name on Wikipedia, I find in there an Emir of Afghanistan - ruled AD 1880-1901 (AH 1297-1319).

Looking this ruler up on Zeno.ru, most of his coins look nothing like mine, and this was also the ruler who instituted modern, machine-struck coinage. But there's one extensive series of old-style hammered half-rupees, from the Herat mint (called "dar-es-Sultan", which is presumably the word "Sultan" that eg could read). One of the coins on Zeno has a design which, except for the lack of the dot-dotted border, seems to be a match - I'll pinch their picture for ease of comparison:

Identified:-Afghanistan-½-Rupee-1888

You can see this coin has several stylistic similarities with mine - but the clincher for me is the very casually written date on both sides of the coin. On the Zeno one, the date is 1304 (though the ones and zeroes are either missing or in the wrong place). On mine, I believe the date is 1306 (= 1888/9 AD). The date numerals are at 5 to 6 o'clock, on both sides of the coin, on both this one and my one.

Looking up the Krause catalogue, the general type is listed as KM# 419, though the illustrated coin doesn't match mine as well as this Zeno one does. Krause notes that there are many blundered dates and "date mulings" reported for this type.

So in conclusion:

Afghanistan, ½ rupee 1888, KM# 419.

I'm happy to declare this one solved, unless anyone can see a problem with this hypothesis...
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You are welcome Sap. I am happy that I could help
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