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Valued Member
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Hello Karel I am very happy to help And when someone calls me a liar and a fraud for no reason I will happily use my research to demonstrate the truth. Which I have - as I said before the shoe is now firmly on the other foot. I have explained this so can we move on and let's discuss the books you have on the subject What is it you want to know? For the record they are NOT theories. They have been embraced by Krause (coin catalogues), Spink and Stanley Gibbon as well as Morgan Carroll in the new South African coin catalogue that recognises the truth. You can find out more on this new (thankfully Hern free) catalogue at: http://www.coinsrsa.com There is a link from here to my response to Nortje which has destroyed his award winning "research". For those who take it go to page 29 and look at point 50. You will see a classic gotcha of a plagiarizer caught in the act while calling me a liar. The link to my response to the flawed "research" by Pierre Henri is already directly linked on this thread. Which point do you you want to discuss? Edited by tokensa1
03/15/2016 03:55 am
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New Member
South Africa
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Hello Mr Balson,
I've noticed that you have now also further updated your Pdf reply to Nortje. This is a positive sign, accepting that your research is still not complete.
You say that the holed pieces found today are those used as jewellery. Where did you read this.
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03/15/2016 08:46 am
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Valued Member
Australia
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Hello Karel Research is never complete but the facts are. The update to my PDF was the inclusion of the scan of the relevant page of Schoeman's book which confirms that Pierre Henri had plagiarised my work and been caught out by the trap I set for him. ie using the words "greater" when it should have been "greatest" and "dispersed" when it should have been "disposed". See page 31 of: http://www.coinsrsa.com/The%20truth.pdfor http://www.tokencoins.com/schoeman.jpgThe facts are simple - not one Griquatown token ever circulated With regards to the holed pieces, what other purpose would they have served? It is clear they were holed so they could be strung with their beads around their neck. Otherwise why hole them? |
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South Africa
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Hello Mr Balson, A 2008 snapshot of your webpage containing the section you refer to as the trap laid for Nortje, shows exactly the same errors, "dispersed" and "greater". I attach the snapshot. This has never changed since. You said earlier here that the change was temporary, but this is not according to the rest of the cached pages that I have viewed. I guess I am trying to understand the trap that was laid. Your reply regarding the holed coins being jewellery gives no reference or link and is as such only a theory. This is important, as you included this in your 50 bullet points as a fact. I think we can now agree that your work is part fact and part theory.  Edited by Karel
03/16/2016 05:42 am
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Valued Member
Australia
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Hi Karel
I don't see the relevance of your post. This is not the first time I have set this trap when I hear through my very big grapevine that someone is plagiarizing my research.
The trap was set and Nortje walked right into it plagiarizing from a cut and paste from my website and then giving a different source as his reference in the appendix.
Not good.
It interests me that you still do not acknowledge the facts that:
a) Pierre Henri Nortje's award winning "research" is fatally flawed and that some of the sources he gives in the appendix are false. This reflects very badly on the National Numismatic Society and their motives in giving this flawed award.
b) not one Griquatown token ever circulated
As I said before I stand by my research. If you have doubts it's a free country go do your own research and then, if you have reason, challenge my research. This is my last response to your repetitive posts about the page Pierre Henri plagiarised.
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With regard to the holed Griquatown token surely you are not suggesting that the extensive wear was because it circulated widely over a long period of time? Clearly it never did - even Pierre Henri in his flawed paper agrees with me about this. So taking out that option and seeing that the reason it was holed was so that the person holding it could place it on a necklace with his beads it is hardly presumptive to suggest that it was only ever worn as jewellery.
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03/16/2016 3:57 pm
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New Member
South Africa
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Hello Mr Balson,
Let me explain the relevance of my post. Please show me where you have changed your web page to set this trap. I cannot find it anywhere and suggest that your trap is a fabrication.
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Valued Member
Australia
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Karel
What is your real name?
Is it Nortje?
While you keep on demanding I answer your questions you never answer mine.
I told you the fact that Nortje plagiarizing my website and giving other references is proven yet you never respond to my questions. You do not dispute that Nortje plagiarized (ie cut and paste) from my website - yet gave his references as being from Schoeman's book.
I knew about Nortje's plagiarized research and his "cut and paste" not long after he released his flawed PDF but "kept my powder dry". The hole he has dug is too deep to climb out of and the controlling members of the National Numismatic Society committee (Wilson and Hern) who have held their positions for 30 years and have vested interests should resign and let fresh blood in.
This is the last time I respond to you in future unless have a question about my research based on research you do.
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03/17/2016 02:03 am
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New Member
South Africa
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Hello Mr Balson,
I am not Nortje.
Your response confirms that you never laid a trap, but that it was after all a fabrication of a lie. Why would you do that. I suggest you offer an apology to the members of this forum.
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Valued Member
Australia
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"Karel"
My responses above confirm that you refuse to respond to the questions I ask you.
I do not keep diary notes of when I laid a trap in the past but I did recently for Nortje and he walked right into it.. then claimed to be the expert on this subject (which he is not)
You don't have to apologise because (whoever you are or represent) is unclear while I have been quite open about my identity.
I think that speaks volumes. You are a coward.
I am not going to engage any further discussion with someone who hides behind the name "Karel"
For the record this is the only thread that newly joined "Karel" has engaged in apart from attacking my comments about Morgan Carroll's new South African coin catalogue
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03/17/2016 02:40 am
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New Member
South Africa
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Hello Mr Balson,
When I joined this thread I was hoping to have a discussion about Griqua coins. This has now changed course and will be difficult. However I think we can sum up our discussion thus far:
1. You quote unnamed sources
2. You have lied to further your numismatic argument
3. Your research has boiled down to a theory.
If you can prove differently, I will be the first to acknowledge this. I really hope this thread is not removed from this forum due to your personal attacks.
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Moderator
 United States
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EVERYONE: please keep this a civil exchange.
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Valued Member
Australia
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Thank you Fuzzy will do I will not respond to whoever is behind Karel from now on But would suggest people following this thread view: http://coinsrsa.com/The%20truth.pdfto see the truth - in particular page 29 point 50 The bottom line is Nortje plagiarized (cut and paste) from my website information I had deliberately edited after hearing what he was up to. He never bought a book simply used third party references like mine on the Internet then in his references suggested he had got his source from the original book. He has been caught out and the world knows that now thanks to "Karel" who appears to be in his corner. Thank you Karel Edited by tokensa1
03/17/2016 03:30 am
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New Member
South Africa
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New Member
South Africa
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Hello Mr Balson,
You will be happy to learn that I am not batting for anyone.
I see you are perpetuating your lie, insisting that you have edited your web page when there is no proof of this. Why are you doing this. You might not keep a diary, but the internet does. I repeat, if you can prove me wrong, I will be the first to say so. Admit your mistake, apologise to the forum members for posting a lie and we can all move on.
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03/17/2016 1:32 pm
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Valued Member
Australia
69 Posts |
"Karel" (Pierre Henri Nortje)
I believe the moderator had warned you earlier about keeping things civil.
Let the posts above speak for themselves.
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