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Finn235 , show us the nicest ones , I am very curious
Maridunun, are you sure for the first coin ?as Finn says they have very interesting eyes both , but the style looks me very good .I was looking my Constantius'coins , are some have that kind of eyes, but it are two beautiful coins. albert
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Finn235: show us the most beautiful coins when arrived , I am veru curious
Maridunun : very nice , especially the second reverse . Are you sure the first is barbarous and not official ? I was looking my Constantius 'coins , are sometimes the eyes are very special.albert
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 Posted 03/25/2016  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Look closely at the reverse legend on the second coin. It is clearly blundered.
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 Posted 03/26/2016  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lrbguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@maridvnvm
Unless the first coin you show was found in a hoard with a number of bona fide barbarous pieces, I hesitate to call it barbarous on the basis of style alone. That crude, sketchy style of execution is seen on other coins from this period that are mint products. Professor Kent occasionally commented on that problem in his introductory notes to LRBC as well as RIC VIII. I have not dug out the references. but I think Carson and Sutherland spilled some ink of that too. (Not sure about Brunn). Anyway, I would like to hear more about that coin.
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 Posted 04/01/2016  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's the more interesting one from the newest lot:

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Just not sure about this one. I am leaning toward genuine issue of Theodosius II (I think I see "-HEOD-" in the legend around the figure) but that is still an awfully small portrait for a 10-11mm coin!
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 Posted 04/01/2016  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While I was collecting a group Constantinopolis Commemorative coins awhile back I acquired several unofficial examples. Here are a few in pretty good style.

Trier seems to have had the most.



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@Doucet

Would you be willing to start a new thread with those four, adding details of size (in mm) and weight in grams? I have a few of those about which I would like to compare notes, which I would post to such a thread.
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I will have to dig back through my hoard for the city commemoratives... I have never really considered the possibility of imitatives for those.

Ditto with my Claudius II altar coins. The especially small and crude ones are likely candidates.
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Going back through my collection, I think this one might be a barbarous:

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Supposedly from Cordoba, Spain:
http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/gree...rdoba/i.html

Interestingly, the reverse is backwards on this coin. I know that many Roman barbs have reversed imagery... is this from freehanding a die without realizing that the die must be reversed?
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 Posted 05/09/2016  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So after contemplating this lot for a while, I decided to pull the trigger at a new record for me... nearly $5.50 per coin!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/21-REDUCED-...p-cvip-panel

My goal is to gradually assemble a collection of late Roman barbarous issues of particularly "naive" style--the ones for which there is no question that they are not official Roman issues, and which look like they were engraved by a child.

In this lot, I see a few Claudius II posthumous eagle types that are probably genuine, but the ones that really catch my eye are the one near the center with the crazy long arm:

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And whatever the heck this is supposed to be:

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 Posted 05/17/2016  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lot arrived today! This one was too good not to share:

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A dog? A horse?

At any rate, this one takes the cake as far as "most barbarous". Unless this is a backwards attempt at a Gallienus zoo coin, they weren't even trying to imitate here.
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 Posted 07/05/2016  09:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry for the bump, but I think I figured out my OP coin.

Imitative of Claudius II, IVNO REGINA reverse:

https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/be...Default.aspx

Here is a similar barbarous of the same issue, from beastcoins:

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yep could be a match. the elongate figure on the rev is quite similar to yours.
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