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1999 $5 Bill With No Serial Number

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 Posted 02/17/2008  12:37 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add gina03ls to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,
My father has recently been given a 1999 series $5 bill as change at a fast food restaurant, but there is no serial number on it. I'm definitely not a collector, but I've been doing a bit of research (just a few hours) and can't seem to find any other cases of this.

Has anyone here ever heard of/seen one of these? It seems to be real. It has the raised ink, and the bar that says "USA FIVE" if you hold it up to the light.

In all other aspects, it seems to be a legitimate bill. I would really appreciate any light that someone can shed on this. Can someone provide me with a link to find more information or similar circumstances? I've seen a few 1995 series bills that do not have a whole serial number, but only the last 2 numbers. This bill has no serial number whatsoever, though it does have the seal in green ink.

Thanks!
gina

***Edited by Forum Dad to move to US Note Forum***
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 Posted 02/17/2008  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arthrene to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you get us some pictures/scans?
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 Posted 02/17/2008  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SecretGlitch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it in very poor conddition? Is the black seal on the bill? If it is, the ink could, in theory, have been washed out by strong detergent in a washing machine. If there is no black seal, and it's crisp, then it is possibly an error that can go for hundreds of dollars.
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 Posted 02/17/2008  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gina03ls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am at his house for the weekend, when I get home I'll upload pictures from my camera. The black seal is there. The bill is worn and creased, but not extremely. It looks like they just forgot to put the serial number on it. Everything that is supposed to be there in black is there, but not the green numbers. THe green seal is there.
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 Posted 02/17/2008  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SecretGlitch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, the green seal is there? Then yes, it's very possible it's an error. (though worth less than the one w/o the black seal) Several things could cause this, from the ink not ejecting to it missing the serial number printers.
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02/17/2008 12:10 pm
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 Posted 02/17/2008  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gina03ls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are the photos I took of the bill. I hope they help!
1999-$5-Bill-With-No-Serial-Number
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1999-$5-Bill-With-No-Serial-Number
1999-$5-Bill-With-No-Serial-Number

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 Posted 02/17/2008  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SecretGlitch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That looks like an error to me.

Well, there isn't a clean cut value for errors like this, though. I would range it at over $200. Probably the best thing to do, if you wanted to sell it, would be an auction. There's probably somebody who'd pay a lot for something like this.
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 Posted 02/18/2008  04:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gina03ls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks! I'm not sure if he's going to want to sell it or not. He thinks it's pretty cool and is showing it off to EVERYONE, lol. I told him he's going to acidentally spend it if he keeps it up. I will let him know what you said. Thanks again!
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 Posted 02/18/2008  6:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gatzdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While you probably have an error on your hands, I would suggest the following,

Either goto a local coin shop that deals with errors (and not just the couple notes in the side case but actually actively deals with them)

or short of such a coin shop, goto a local coin show and find a table with a fair amount of error notes on it.

Ask the person to look at your note and give you an opinion about the error and value. Best to approach them when they are not busy with active buyers, but a good dealer would give you a few moments regardless.

The main thing for them to look at is to see if there is any evidence of rubbing or surface alterations where the numbers should be.

Normally with an insufficient ink error, there would still be an impression of the numbers in the note. It's possible that given the notes condition, that impression is difficult to see anymore, but it should still be there.

Hope this helps.
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 Posted 02/18/2008  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gina03ls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That seems like the next route to go. I'll have to see if there is going to be a coin show in the area. I don't think that there are any shops nearby--maybe in Philadelphia. Thanks for all of your help!
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 Posted 02/19/2008  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would be careful about showing it around before you figure out what exactly it is. A couple years ago, serial numberless $100 bills were showing up in Delaware and a coin shop owned by a former poster here purchased a few of them knowing that they could possibly be illegal. Turns out, a BEP employee had stolen several sheets of numberless bills, hand cut them, and fed them into slot machines. Needless to say, he was arrested and the dealer had the notes confiscated by the Secret Service. The owner didn't really mind though since the money he was out from purchasing them was more than made up by all the free advertising every time he and his shop were mentioned with the story.
http://www.newszap.com/articles/200...re/dsn03.txt

Compare the borders of your bill to a normal $5. If they appear uneven or ragged, that could be a problem for you.
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02/19/2008 2:05 pm
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 Posted 03/03/2008  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gatzdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"The Dover storeowner initially checked with the treasury department, the Secret Service and Delaware State Police and said he was given clearance to buy the bills."

This tells you that the dealer knew something was up. These types of organizations don't "give clearance" for such transactions.
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 Posted 03/03/2008  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
gatzdon,
Yes, he knew that these bills were possibly illicit. In fact, the Secret Service did not have any notes listed as stolen when they were contacted. If I remember correctly, his contact initiated the Secret Service investigation which followed the money trail. I really do have to laugh at some of the people that brought notes to him though. I believe he was offering $400 each with the caveat that they could be illegal and if they were, they would never have a chance to legally sell them again. A few people apparently thought the offer was lowball so they didn't sell. Those people now have a worthless, illegal piece of linen (provided that the Secret Service hasn't already paid them a visit...)
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 Posted 03/03/2008  11:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add One Red Cent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If this is authentic, then it's worth quite a bit of money. It looks like the note only grades vf or so. I'm guessing, like one of the other responders, that it's worth about $200 or so. If it were AU or CU, then it would be worth quite a bit more.
I would like a professional opinion as to it's authenticity, because it is possible to "bleach out" the serial numbers from notes.
They used to print the serial numbers and the green seal at the same time, but I think the "new" bills print them in two steps, so this could very well be authentic, but I'm just not positive about the printing process right now.
It looks like a great find!
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