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An 1836 Pattern Gold Dollar For You Grading Consideration

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I don't collect a lot of patterns, but this is one those rare exceptions. I have long enjoyed gold dollars and their history.

The dies for this piece were made during the same time as the Gobrecht dollars. There was support for the gold dollar as well as the resumption of the silver dollar, which had not been made since 1804. (Note the silver dollars dated 1804 were made in 1834 and beyond. None were struck in 1804.)

Mint Director Robert Patterson did not like these small coins. He thought that the issuance of small gold pieces, like a gold dollar, cast a negative image on the countries that issued them. I his mind tiny gold coins made a country look small and second rate. Nevertheless his boss, the secretary of the treasury, wanted some pattern gold dollars to be made, and so they were struck. The design was obviously "borrowed" from the Mexican coinage. The gold dollar was not issued for general circulation this time, but Patterson would lose the argument 13 years later.

These coins were made in 1836 and for some years after that. It is impossible to tell if this coin was part of the original issue or was made years later. At any rate this is the most common pattern gold coin that is made of gold. All of these coins were struck as Proofs, so adjust you grades accordingly.
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PF-64?
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Hard to tell if the tiny lines most notable in the fields are die polishing, or not. With so few struck you wouldn't think they would need to polish the dies, so this may be one of the later productions if they are die polishing lines.

Still a solid PF 63 or 64.
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Wow! Stunning coin.
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Indeed another impressive coin from bill's remarkable collection. I'll guess PF-64 as well.
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Beautiful! I'm not so sure on grades but PF64 seems about right.
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I have never seen one of these (much less graded one)

PR-63?

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PR 63/64.
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Never seen one of these. what a cool looking coin. PF63
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Very nice! I'll guess PR-63.
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Wow! I'm just amazed by your collection and the story that comes with everyone of your coins.
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PR63?
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PCGS graded this 1836 pattern gold dollar PR-64. This is the best example I have seen offered on a bourse floor. Previously I had looked at a couple of PR-63 graded pieces. Both of them had big marks on them when I viewed them through a 10X glass. This one was quite smooth. My photography usally makes makes most coins look worse than they are.

This is the most common gold pattern coin, but "common" is a realative term. The entire population is probably less than 50. PCGS has graded 21 of these coins which might include some re-submissions.
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AG-3

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billjones, you've assembled quite an impressive collection as I'm sure you're very aware. This however, to me, is a centerpiece. I have seen this coin in issues of the LSCC monthly over the course of time. I believe it was last august's issue when a very detailed article about pattern coins was presented. I saw this pattern coin but I do not think it was gold, rather, silver with that obverse phrygian cap. Really lovely, thanks for sharing.
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Can't say I feel confident grading these, but I would guess PR-63. Really, really nice coin though.
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