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NGC PF 69 Question About A Grade - Large Scratch

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I have a coin that NGC graded as a PF 69. However, this coin has a large and obvious scratch on the obverse. It's so obvious and large that no magnifier is required to notice this damage. In plain speak, it's ugly.

Why do you suppose this coin received a PF 69 from NGC? Is this more common then I know, overlooking one flaw if the rest of the coin is in fine shape?

Apologies, I do not have a picture at the moment.
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Without picture, I am not sure whether it is a true scratch or a die flow line or other planchet defects.
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I'll try to post a picture.

Are die flow lines or planchet defects less troublesome to graders then scratches and marks?
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I'll try to post a picture.

Are die flow lines or planchet defects less troublesome to graders then scratches and marks?


Generally speaking, there is a very significant difference. That said, some people will prefer not to have apparent "as struck" marks on the coin, as well. That said, I think most, if not everyone, would agree they'd prefer a mint struck mark on the coin as opposed to a scratch or contact mark.

That said, as mdrosophila said, without pictures it's hard to give a definite answer on your particular coin, of course. I will say, I would be surprised if there is an apparent, post-mint "damage" (using that term in a broad sense) on the coin that NGC missed.
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I am curious what you all think. The marks resemble some sort of geyser gushing water.
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I believe what's in the picture is toning.
It is possible that this mark is not visible when NGC graded it. This kind of mark usually happens when contacting with such as a strand of hair. The chemical in the hair reacts with the coin over time.
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Looks like a stain, not a scratch. A scratch is much more severe and displaces metal. The stain is likely one of reasons it didn't make 70.
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