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1862 Great Britain One Penny "The Rare Variety"?

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I can't find any examples with pictures of the different signature and initials varieties on the obverse. Also the 6 in the date looks over-struck. Anyone know what variety this is. Thanks!

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Sorry - it's type 6/G (the common one). Its distinguishing feature is the faulty top colon stop at the end of the obverse legend.
The "6" certainly does look double-struck but such "errors" in Victorian-era coins are not at all uncommon (the faulty stop type remained in use till 1874) - and you wanted the date to be a corrected "1662".
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Just a heads up but Freemans Bronze coinage book has been updated and revised and is due at the printers mid-May.
It is being branded under the Rotographic banner.More information is available to members only at Predecimal.com
I'm sure there will also be a digital version.
Although I'm a long time member at Predecimal(14 yrs) I am not affiliated in any way.
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Sorry - it's type 6/G (the common one). Its distinguishing feature is the faulty top colon stop at the end of the obverse legend.

Wait - so if my 1862 penny has a large circular looking top colon stop there, it's a rare variety?

(I'm trying to get a date set of 1860+ British pennies in lowball grades - or, at least, as close to a date set as I can get without spending much money - but, both because of varieties and because I'm not always sure which one is more worn, I have multiples of some dates. I have two 1862 pennies, with different date widths; the narrower date has the circular stop, while the wider date is too worn in that spot to tell, unfortunately.)
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The type 2/G does appear to have a large round upper stop (judging from the Spink's catalog - I don't have either).
It also has 15 (3+3+3+4+2) leaves and signature - whereas the one pictured is too worn to confirm that it has 16 leaves (3+3+3+5+2) and no signature. The positioning of the bottom of the bust relative to the faint raised line border should be an easier identifying feature (there's a gap between with 2/G) - a picture would help.

My 2014 Spink catalog lists type 6/G in Fine at £4 and the type 2/G at £550 - so that makes the latter "rare" in my book.
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The type 2/G does appear to have a large round upper stop (judging from the Spink's catalog - I don't have either).
It also has 15 (3+3+3+4+2) leaves and signature - whereas the one pictured is too worn to confirm that it has 16 leaves (3+3+3+5+2) and no signature. The positioning of the bottom of the bust relative to the faint raised line border should be an easier identifying feature (there's a gap between with 2/G) - a picture would help.

I had to look at the OP's high-grade example to figure out that "faint raised line border" didn't refer to the denticles. On my examples, the one with the narrow date (and the large round upper stop) has the bust going right into where the denticles are supposed to be, while on the one with the wide date, there's a visible gap between the bust and the denticles; but that's probably just a question of different levels of wear.

Leaves? Signature? Forget it. It's pure luck that even the upper stop of the colon was visible; the nearby D was the only still-readable letter.

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My 2014 Spink catalog lists type 6/G in Fine at £4 and the type 2/G at £550 - so that makes the latter "rare" in my book.

That would make it "rare" to me too, but my example is hardly Fine - it barely passes for Poor because there isn't anything lower.
(And I've heard that British "Fine" is actually a lot higher than the American grade of Fine, and that the British system has nothing equivalent to the American grades of Fair or Poor.)
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