1847 Large Cent On Smaller Planchet?

F.I.R. I think that I understand what you mean. On moderns, the details (lettering) ect., tend to expand or extrude or fan out around the rim. I do not believe that to be necessarily the case with older soft metal coins. There is a good pic of a 2 Cent piece off metal that recently sold at Heritage. Check out auction 422 lot 7599.

These two different coins look remarkably similar. Of course the size of the planchet and the designs closeness to the edge of a coin will also alter that rolling off the edge effect that you reference.

Notice the slight planchet edge beveling of the Heritage coin.

Seems to me that I ran the math a few years ago and could not come up with necessary weight given planchet size to fit cut down large cent. But as I forgot to mention, the coin is also thinner than a normal large cent. Smaller and thinner. I should have mentioned that in original post. My mistake.

The actual coin does not seem so much overly worn as being rather weakly struck to begin with. It seems rather flatly struck.

Pictures are never as good as holding the coin itself.

I do appreciate your time and helps...Thanx gusp

I knew I was gonna be asked that. I forgot! It is posted somewhere on this website. Not sure where but I believe that it is buried here somewhere. Coin is put away and My scale just gave up the ghost. Any other way would just be too easy. I gotta laugh at it all. Thanx again... gusp

From memory, grain of salt and all.....Thinner than a large cent thicker than a quarter. Larger than a quarter and smaller than a half dollar or large cent.

Will post weight, actual size, ect. soon.

Coin does not show any kind of damage from metal being cut down. If it did I would not be asking for planchet and die info. Even with substantial wear you can usualy find signs of grinding, sanding or cutting somewhere. It is virtually impossible to hide all signs of that kind of damage.

I am aware of all kinds of fun stuff being made out of coins.

The rim surface area (3rd side of coin) is slightly concave and exhibits some collar die stirations that run across the rim perpendicular to the OBV. and Rev. A turned or cut coin would look different. The metal flow would be different.

I also rule out the possibility of coin being placed into some kind of Jewelery ring and being squeezed ,although that would be a more likely scenario. It does not however, explain the thinner, smaller and underweight planchet.

What I really want to know is if this is an early attempt at a smaller U.S. cent. Possibly an unknown pattern or trial cent. Now, that would really be something! I need actual dies info to rule out counterfeit. Unfortunately, I do not have large cent book anymore.

Thanx for interest and response.....gusp

When you see the TPG's make as many mistakes as I have seen, you learn to rely on your own judgement, or to at least to hold theirs as suspect. Impared proofs as gems, whizzing, hairlines, sliders, mis-classifications, ect. It is hard to give any coin a cursory glance and get them all right the most of the time, and TPG's deal with many coins daily. It is like the old adage Buy the Coin, Not the Slab.

I tend to hold onto coins for a long time. As such, more and more info becomes known as more and more research is done. The internet is going to completely change the Coin World and it is already doing so. This works to collectors long term advantage. In time more and more stuff shows up, knowledge base grows, and it is easier for people to properly classify stuff.

Eventually I will Slab the stuff. Bummer tho because then you cannot see the coin as well, particularly the rim area. So, I wait. Thanx Again. gusp