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401 K Vs Bullion What Do You Think

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 Posted 05/13/2016  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Should you own your house first of at purchase one


You're going out of topic, I think everyone have different answer to this one. IMO! I would pay off my house sooner then later, but everyone has their opinions.
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Whatever you choose, stick as much in as you can and don't count on appreciation.

If you choose a 401K be prepared to play shuffle games to maximize gain or minimize loss. My preference is holding highly rated bonds with 10-30 year maturities. Though there aren't any tax advantages to holding muni bonds, at this point you might get better security without much penalty in yield. Mutual funds based on bonds are a whole other story. I've not had good luck with them most of the times I've tried them. They trade like stocks, and when things go bad (like 2008, or when interest rates rise) the yield of the bonds the fund contains doesn't offset the drop in share value. They recover very slowly from drops too.

If you choose bullion get a SD box and fill it up using any post-tax money you have. I'd recommend no more than 10% of your savings here. Think of it as a hedge against bad things, which could protect you financially for a year or two.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Just curious greenprint, have you spoke with a Financial Advisor yet...
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I do but it always ends the same, a sales pitch to buy through them. I want to try and buy a house next year so I want every penny. I want to try and buy it in cash so I'm saving up. Plus I still have over 30 years before I retire.

Can you work part time and still collect your 401K? Seriously I have seen my relatives loose their minds after they retired and die at a young age. It's scary what happens when you don't work and don't leave the house for days, seeing what happened to them. I want to work at least part time after I retire or come a professor so I can work until I very old lol.
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Generally speaking, bullion is a wealth preservation tool - that is, it helps hedge against inflation. If your money is in USD and the rate of inflation (which in my opinion is substantially higher than the government leads us to believe) is 4%, your 100,000 savings is worth 96,000 in a year. (in terms of what it will buy) So while acquiring bullion will PRESERVE wealth, it is not considered a growth strategy, whereas the stock market is. As a young person, the assumption is that you don't have wealth yet, you need to acquire and grow it - so you'll focus mostly on the market, less on bullion.

That being said, I wouldn't put my money in a 401K account at all. Unless there was a greater than 2 percent match by the employer. I say this because due to the fees that are charged for managed funds, you can do just as well on your own. If you look at the 12b fees on most managed funds, they are substantial and by some estimates cost you as much as 250,000 over an investor lifetime. A quarter million bucks is a lot to give someone to "manage" your money. A much better approach is to open an E-trade or Ameritrade account (I'm not a financial planner or a rep for either of these firms) and just buy an index fund. Index funds just mimic the movement of the market (Dow, Nasdaq) and cost very little.

This way, you save a fortune in fees (and because your young, you make more in interest over the long term)

Then, over time you can build your precious metals collection with money that's left over. But as has been noted here - metals are volatile and not for the faint of heart. But the key is diversity. I agree with everyone who's told you to do both, diversify. I disagree (respectfully) with everyone who has pointed you toward just the market or just precious metals. Just a 401K is not a good plan, nor is just precious metals. Do both...and and other things...diversify. Good luck.
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I do but it always ends the same, a sales pitch to buy through them. I want to try and buy a house next year so I want every penny. I want to try and buy it in cash so I'm saving up. Plus I still have over 30 years before I retire.



Yes but they are trying to help you put your money into funds that will get you the biggest return on investment...

What kind of house are you trying to buy with cash only?... Heck you might be an old man by the time you get enough money saved up and at that rate you would be better off renting so you wouldn't have to pay for the upkeep and maintaining... You must be around my age with 30 years left of working (I'll be 38 in about 3 weeks)


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Can you work part time and still collect your 401K? Seriously I have seen my relatives loose their minds after they retired and die at a young age. It's scary what happens when you don't work and don't leave the house for days, seeing what happened to them. I want to work at least part time after I retire or come a professor so I can work until I very old lol.



Yes you can work and collect your 401k... My dad works part time and collects his pension and 401k... The only thing you have to watch is if you are drawing Social Security... My dad can only make like $15,500 a year working...

Social Security is one thing I wish I could drop out of... I would in a heartbeat if I could as I could better invest it and make way more than receiving a SS check once a month...
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Then, over time you can build your precious metals collection with money that's left over. But as has been noted here - metals are volatile and not for the faint of heart. But the key is diversity. I agree with everyone who's told you to do both, diversify. I disagree (respectfully) with everyone who has pointed you toward just the market or just precious metals. Just a 401K is not a good plan, nor is just precious metals. Do both...and and other things...diversify. Good luck.


Almost all FA's will tell you never to have more than 10 to 15% of your money in Precious Metals... So what about the other 85 to 90%?...

The problem with PM's is that no one knows what the price will be in 30 to 40 years and lets say Silver is at $20/ounce in 30 years then you really didn't gain much of anything and your probably going to lose when you try to sell as no PM buyer is going to give you $20/ounce for it...

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