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 Posted 07/18/2016  1:54 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add rexlucky to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello everybody,I bought this coin about a couple of months ago and I notice there are like a punch in the eagle chest and on the neck with the letter M, does somebody knows about it Thanks

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 Posted 07/18/2016  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kena to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't know much about coins from Italy. Looks like the following coin to me:

5 Lire - Vittorio Emanuele III

http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces4047.html

Looks like it is dated 1929.
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Italy
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 Posted 07/18/2016  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Burkhard to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Never seen one before. This is a common coin; usually counterstamped specimens are from 1927 and typically says "FALSA" (fake). But your coin looks absolutely legit, so the "M" is possibly some kind of political counterstamp? Maybe related to Mussolini? I find it very interesting.

Can you get closer pictures of the area around the eagle's chest?
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 Posted 07/18/2016  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UltraRant to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
kena is spot on with this one!

Anyway, this coin has two counterstamps, both reading MA, it seems. From my knowledge of Italian money, these don't have a special meaning (but others with more knowledge may disagree here).

Italy used to have quite some issues at the time these coins were made. First there was the aftermath of World War I, which caused quite some inflation and civil unrest, ultimately leading to the fall of the king and the rise of fascist dictator Mussolini. A counterstamp with 'M' over the king's face would have made sense, as in to support this dictator.

Also, from 1936 on, Italy used the AM Lira. As you can see, same characters, different order. Plus that the AM Lira was paper money, not silver. So I guess that doesn't have anything to do with it either.

So yes, I'd call it post mint damage...
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 Posted 07/18/2016  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Burkhard to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I call in for politial counterstamp because it was a common practice during Italy's 1920s. Many coins have the face of the King scratched; coins with the 'fascio littorio' (such as the 1923-27 'Buono da 2 lire') were sometimes counterstamped with hammer and sickle by members of the Italian communist party.
Also 10 centesimi coins of the 'Bee' series (1919-1937) are known with hammer and sickle counterstamp on the King's neck. Those coins usually sell for big money here in Italy and are very sought after by collectors.

Also check on the edge of your 5 lire 'Aquilotto' for stars. A single star (*) on the 1927-1929 issues means your coin was struck at the Rome mint, two stars (**) indicate the 'Società metallurgica italiana' ateliers in Brescia.

@UltraRant keep in mind AM-lire were intoduced in 1943 by the Allied troops. Those silver 5 lire coins were demonetized in 1942.

Definitively PMD anyway :)
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 Posted 07/18/2016  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fioti to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Benvenuto, Burkhard! Dont be a stranger!
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 Posted 07/19/2016  01:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rexlucky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your interest,@Burkhard on the edge there is the word FERT and there are 2 star.

Thank you all
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 Posted 07/19/2016  03:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Burkhard to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you @fioti ;)

Two stars coins are a little scarcer for 1928 and 1929. Anyway I love the counterstamp, which still remains a mystery!
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 Posted 07/19/2016  06:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rexlucky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I try to search on the internet but nothing:( but there must be somebody knows about it.
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