Fake/Counterfeit 2002 $25 Gold Eagles NGC 70 [4] Exact Serial # Johbossina_0

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Goldflake Pillar of the Community United States 697 Posts	Posted 07/18/2016 3:35 pm Seller johbossina_0 Has got 3 up, Exact serial #220066-063 http://www.ebay.com/sch/johbossina_0/m.html 182208373807 $3,750 BIN 182208372991 $3,999.99 BIN 182208370413 $2,449.95 Auction Also sold the same coin June 18th. 182164482355 for $960. Original Coin owner jbmdds5749 had to get it re-slabbed because of counterfeits. Original Authentic Coin[see below] New Authentic Re-slabbed jbmdds5749 172263577123 $1,849.99 [see below] Edited by Goldflake 07/18/2016 8:22 pm Report this Post to the Staff

silverwolf Pillar of the Community Canada 3733 Posts	Posted 07/18/2016 8:12 pm maybe he is re using photos because he already sold this one "182164482355", at least used same photo Report this Post to the Staff
Goldflake Pillar of the Community United States 697 Posts	Posted 07/18/2016 8:27 pm Reply to silverwolf C'mon man. He's selling a $3,000 gold coin, and he doesn't have 20 seconds to scan or photo any of them. You must think NGC uses same serialized number for 4 coins. Also sold the same coin June 18th. 182164482355 for $960. They[NCIC] will be looking at all the other items sold, silver and gold. Edited by Goldflake 07/19/2016 02:51 am Report this Post to the Staff
Goldflake Pillar of the Community United States 697 Posts	Posted 07/18/2016 9:59 pm Reported and Gone Report this Post to the Staff
Paul_S New Member United States 19 Posts	Posted 07/19/2016 09:12 am It looks like the same holder to me. The guy seems to have plenty of positive feedback. I'm not sure why you think that's the same coin only re-holdered either because I'm pretty sure it isn't. -Paul Report this Post to the Staff
Paul_S New Member United States 19 Posts	Posted 07/19/2016 12:49 pm I just tried returning your call but couldn't get you on the phone. I think all of their listings are fine. Report this Post to the Staff
bobby131313 Forum Dad United States 24150 Posts	Posted 07/19/2016 12:59 pm Quote: It looks like the same holder to me. The guy seems to have plenty of positive feedback. I'm not sure why you think that's the same coin only re-holdered either because I'm pretty sure it isn't. It's a classic robot generated account. He's using the same picture in all the listings and shipping counterfeit slabs. This is a well known counterfeit slab readily available. I guaranty all the rookie cards he's sold are fake too. Shop CCF Members on eBay. Report this Post to the Staff
Paul_S New Member United States 19 Posts	Posted 07/19/2016 1:27 pm Well I can't have listings removed if they use a photo of a genuine coin. I've never seen a counterfeit of that slab number. Do you have a photo of one? Report this Post to the Staff
bobby131313 Forum Dad United States 24150 Posts	Posted 07/19/2016 1:37 pm I got them removed hours ago. Shop CCF Members on eBay. Report this Post to the Staff
Paul_S New Member United States 19 Posts	Posted 07/19/2016 3:18 pm "This is a well known counterfeit slab readily available." Where? I have never seen an NGC fake of this date. Report this Post to the Staff
bobby131313 Forum Dad United States 24150 Posts	Posted 07/19/2016 3:24 pm I don't see them on the popular site any more, but I had two of them in my hand at the FUN show a few years ago. Shop CCF Members on eBay. Report this Post to the Staff
Paul_S New Member United States 19 Posts	Posted 07/19/2016 3:56 pm If you could find a photo or example of one I could change the grade to CONTACT NGC CUSTOMER SERVICE, but I'd have to actually see it to do that. Report this Post to the Staff
Goldflake Pillar of the Community United States 697 Posts	Posted 07/19/2016 6:10 pm In reply to Paul S. at NGC You are missing the whole point ~~here~~ hear. Are you blind and numb to the fact of what eye made point of. Quote: C'mon man. He's selling a $3,000 gold coin, and he doesn't have 20 seconds to scan or photo any of them. You must think NGC uses same serialized number for 4 coins. Also sold the same coin June 18th. 182164482355 for $960. Maybe we should be looking into the entire grading, certifications, and slabbing at NGC. Sounds like any novice seller can submit duplicate photos, 4 duplicate serial numbers of so-called NGC certified Gold coins MS-70 worth $10,000. Report this Post to the Staff
Paul_S New Member United States 19 Posts	Posted 07/20/2016 11:59 am I'm not quite sure how an ebay seller has anything at all to do with NGC as a company. The seller is using a legitimate photo of a genuine holder for his listing. It's possible he has multiple coins in that grade and didn't take photos of each one. I can't just go around reporting people's ebay listings on a hunch. It doesn't work that way. -Paul Report this Post to the Staff
bobby131313 Forum Dad United States 24150 Posts	Posted 07/20/2016 12:05 pm Those are not images of a genuine holder and coin if you ask me. The ray running through the last two in the date is too short, which we've seen on other counterfeit US gold. Shop CCF Members on eBay. Report this Post to the Staff
Paul_S New Member United States 19 Posts	Posted 07/20/2016 12:38 pm It is clearly the same holder in the two photos. Look at where the label has raised up as well as the locations of the letters in relation to the background. And from what I can see the coin looks fine, but there's no way to compare it with the other photo at such an extreme angle. I don't see anything suspicious whatsoever. You guys were also claiming his 1996 Silver Eagles were fake, and I see no reason to think that either, sorry. Additionally, if you look at this sale, http://www.ebay.com/itm/VF-Walking-...ig_cvip=true you'll see him using a different cert number in the item specifics, meaning he's just using the photo as a stock photo. Lastly, if you search Golden State Coin's feedback, you'll see that an ebay buyer with 67 feedback bought this coin, proving to me that this seller positively owns that coin. -Paul Report this Post to the Staff
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