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Does Not A Silver Coin Usually Have The Purity And Such Listed On The Coin?

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 Posted 09/12/2016  7:14 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 4504 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
hello all

I am a lord of the rings fan, completely burnt out on their movies, but anyways...

I bought this coin on ebay... notice that it mentions the weight(asw...actual silver weight), etc. I bought the coin, it is just under an ounce, for $26.00.

the thing is that I can see NO markings on it regarding its silver purity like the rest of my silver coins do..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-1-Crow...p=true&rt=nc

there was no coa or anything which backed up what the seller says about the coin. I am not doubting the seller, this is just a question.

here is the same coin, on another site... you will have to scroll down about halfway down the page...described as being sterling silver, with the coin just above it looking exactly the same but described as being cupro-nickel (and cheaper)

http://tolkienshop.com/contents/en-uk/d152.html

(that link describes the coin as being sterling silver)

the lord of the rings coins are about the most imitated coin series, many of whom are in different forms... all gold, all silver, silver plate over cupro-nickel, gold plating over silver, gold plating over cupro-nickel, you name it... there are dozens of varieties.

so what is your best guess... is this a pure silver coin or not in your opinion? or do I have the "rare" cupro one with a "limited" mintage of a mere 100,000 coins haha.

sometimes I wonder about how many, if any, of my non-slabbed (ooh I hate that word for some reason) and graded coins are fakes, complete with fake c.o.a.'s.

there are so many fakes and false descriptions of coins on ebay, makes me not want to buy any coin unless it has been graded. costs more but if it says gold or platinum, you very likely have a gold or platinum coin. otherwise, you could have anything with just the seller's word for it, unless you test it...

ok, I am convinced, I am getting a tester to determine if some of my stuff is real or fake. anybody know of a good all-around tester, that will, for example, be able to tell the difference between a solid gold coin from a silver coin with gold overlaying?

it drives me crazy! ok, I am already crazy.

just got a call from my doctor's office, who wants me to come in immediately, I was only told that my bloodwork samples were "abnormal" and I need to come in to talk to the doctor tomorrow a.m. about my specific doom haha.

so (sniff, sniff), if I am not around much longer, please understand. later I will get drunk and post here about how I just LOVE all of you! yes, I am a drunk dialer.

the first reply will problably be something like "so what do you have in your collection? can I buy it cheap"?





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 Posted 09/12/2016  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 4504 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
you will notice on the 2nd link that the sterling silver coin does not have the silver symbol "AG" or fineness on it either. both of the variations of the coin... the "cupper nickel" and silver coins appear to have the same exact appearance, with no metal symbol or fineness on them (well, the cuper-nickel one would not have that anyways)... but I half expected the silver one to have the symbol and fineness if it was real.

the more and more I have delt with "poopjoy" mint, the less respect I have for them.

speaking of respect... I had a date a while back, it was time to go to bed, she asked me "but will you respect me in the morning?". I replied "respect you in the morning?... I don't respect you now!"

hmmmmm......
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09/12/2016 7:52 pm
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 Posted 09/14/2016  04:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UltraRant to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do love LotR myself, I've even been to Hobbiton in New Zealand a few years ago (and a few other film locations, like Rivendell). It was amazing.

I actually have been looking to buy the LotR series, but didn't as they were just too expensive for what's being offered. I actually was hoping that the price would go down as soon as the hype around the movies was over. It isn't happening yet, but I'm not dead yet, so there's still time.

For what I know, it's not mandatory to put such information about the purity and weight on the coin. I do believe it's something more or less exclusive to certain modern bullion rounds. In the 'good old days', when regular coins still were made of precious metals by default, a lot of them didn't have any information on weight or silver content on them. That was more or less reserved for some trade coinage, for what I know.

Now your coin actually puts me in doubt. For what I know, there are cupronickel and silver coins of this one, both with the same design and, the horror, also the same weight: just over 28 grams. For what I know, the cupronickel one usually comes in a 'LotR-card' and the silver one comes in a case from the Pobjoy mint. You seem to have the latter. However, for what I know, it should also come with a certificate, as the silver series is limited and should have the coins numbered. What also puzzles me a bit is that your coin is actually sold for the 'cupronickel' price, which is about $25, where the silver one goes for about $100 nowadays. So either you got a cupronickel coin at the regular price or you bought the bargain of the year.

In other words, I can't help you here based on the information I have. You can try to contact the Pobjoy mint and hear if there are any more ways to identify your coin. I think that's what I would have done here.

For testers: usually it's sufficient to measure securely: the weight, the diameter and the thickness of the coin. That doesn't exclude that your gold coin is a gold plated tungsten one, though. Alternatively you can try to find a jeweler who can x-ray it. What I certainly wouldn't do is try to determine if it's real precious metal via any chemical testing: that will irreversibly destroy your coins.

ps. For your date... girls absolutely love replies like that. I guess you two are married now and live happily ever after?
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 Posted 09/14/2016  04:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add X2an to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The weight, diameter and thinkness simply can't be the same for silver and copper-nickel. If they both have the same weight and diameter the silver issue should be thinner (i.e. the density is higher because of more mass in a smaller volume)

Your "coin" looks silver to me but that could be silver plating, so the surface doesn't tell for sure. I have some silver-plated copper Vatican medallion that folled me at first. I thought they were silver but they were too light. I bought them anyway for 20 SEK a piece (3 of them). Not a big loss, but a slight bummer. Apparently they do sell for more, what do I know.

Considering it's in a sealed case it would be harder to do a further analysis. Also weighting it would be hard, considering the case's additional weight. Personally I would refrain from buying similar items that lack a CoA and have to tells or clues as to what is actually is.
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 Posted 09/14/2016  07:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UltraRant to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The weight, diameter and thinkness simply can't be the same for silver and copper-nickel.


True. Perhaps I should express myself more clearly: the parameters known to me are the same for both the cupronickel and the silver one. So I can't help there. This does mean that one of them is wrong, of course. I just don't know which one.
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 Posted 09/15/2016  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 4504 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
so, I either have the cupro-nickel with silver plating, with the silver edition box, or I have the silver one.

1. if it is the cupro-nickel, the seller (or someone down the line) was able to get ahold of a pobjoy box that was meant for the silver edition only. this could explain the lack of a c.o.a.

2. if it is the silver edition, it is lacking the c.o.a. but with the proper box, and I got it at the cupro-nickel price. It would appear that the other bidders were suspicious due to the low bids... if it is solid silver, it certainly should have gone for more, unless only a $7 premium for such a coin (somewhat unlikely) was all that the seller either thought it was worth or was taking his chances.

buying on ebay is hazardous, check out my post on the henry VIII with platinum insert and tell me what you think about c.o.a.'s then...

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