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 Posted 09/30/2016  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dear Petrus,

Please, remove all the no-dates somewhere else. And the 1502 too. They're not the point of this thread.

(The other two coins are in the correct place, fortunately.)
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 Posted 10/01/2016  07:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@petrus, thanks for posting so many coins to this thread. As january1may noted, the focus is really on dated european coins from the earliest instance up through 1500 AD. A couple of your posts fit right into this description. I wonder, do you use Levinson for your attribution? I did not see you mention his numbering system on either the 1492 or the 1499.
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 Posted 10/01/2016  2:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, I propably failed to understand ALL the rules for this thread.
All 'no-date's are removed.
I hardly know Levinson. I use some other catalogs (Vanhoudt, De Witte, Gaillard, Deschamps, Van Gelder/Hoc....)
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 Posted 10/02/2016  11:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok that is great Petrus! Thanks for your posts--I'm really glad to have your coins keeping mine company on this thread.

It looks to me like your first coin can be attributed as Levinson II-148, while the second one is a Levinson II-131. I think that I would classify the denomination of that one as a Briquet (not sure if that is equivalent to Double-Groot or just a single Groot...)

Ok, now we can close out the Southern Netherlands and move on to the next geographic region: the Northern Netherlands. @pepactonius or @petrus--I'm hoping that you folks can contribute again this week.
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 Posted 10/02/2016  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a Stuiver of the Netherlands' city of Deventer. It is 24 mm and 1.9 g and was minted in 1472 AD. The obv has two shields, a large one of Deventer and a smaller one of Oversticht. The obv inscription is MONETA NOVA DE DAVENTRIA while the rev inscription is ANNO DOMIN M CCCC LXXII. The rev devices are a long cross with the shield of Burgundy in the center and four annulets. The coin is attributed as Levinson III-58.

According to Levinson, Deventer was a "powerhouse of early dated coinage production, striking over 50 types, with 22 different dates and 9 denominations". This is more prodigious that almost any other medieval mint. That said, these don't come up all the time for sale and oddly the older coins seem to be a little more collectible than many of the newer ones. The decade of the 1470s likely contains the easiest coins to find.



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 Posted 10/03/2016  06:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a Jager from the Netherlands Bishopric of Utrecht dated 1478. It is 27 mm in diameter and has a mass of 2.5 g. It was minted at Wijk-bij-Duurstede and is attributed as Levinson III-104. The obv inscription is MONETA NOVA EPIS TRAIECTENS ANNO DNI M CCCC LXXVIII and surrounds the shield of Burgundy. The rev inscription is MEM E TO DNE D AVID and encircles a small cross. There is a series of fleur de lis ringing around this legend.

This coin, while quite pitted, is one of the most common dated coins of this issuer during this time. It is hard to call anything "common"; however, when it is estimated that there are less than 250 collectible pieces extant.




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 Posted 10/03/2016  6:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, nothing from the northern Netherlands before 1500
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 Posted 10/04/2016  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok no prob @petrus--I'm really glad that you contributed to the Southern Netherlands section.

Continuing to show some Northern Netherlands dated coins, here is a pretty rare Half Stuiver from the City of Nijmegen dated 1488. On the obv, it shows a lion to the left holding the shield of Nijmegen surrounded by the legend MONETA NOVA NOVIMAGEN. The rev shows a floriated cross with imperial orb at the top and the inscription ANNO DNI M CCCC LXXXVIII. In my example, the centers are quite weak, but the inscriptions are largely legible. It is 22 mm in diameter and has a mass of 1.6 g. It is attributed as Levinson III-199.

I'm pretty sure that this is the rarest early dated coin that I own, with only an estimated 7-10 examples available for collectors (i.e. excluding those locked up in museum collections). The vast majority--perhaps 85%--of the several roughly 1,100 coins listed in Levinson's book include photographs or at least line drawings. As if to reinforce its rarity, this little guy is one of the few that just has the description. If there is ever a second edition of Levinson, maybe my coin will be chosen as an exemplar, despite the weak centers...



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 Posted 10/08/2016  07:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is my final dated coin from the Northern Netherlands. It is a Stuiver dated 1499 from the Netherlands County of Holland. It is 28 mm in diameter and has a mass of 2.7 g. The obv legend is PHS DEI GRA ARCHID AVS B C HO and surrounds the shield of Austria-Burgundy. The rev legend is SIT NOMEN DNI BNE DIC TM 1&99 and surrounds a cross and quatrefoil. It was minted in Dordrecht and is attributed Levinson III-271a.

This coin was struck for Philip the Fair during his lifetime, but there is a very similar coin (Levinson III-271b) that is also dated 1499, but was struck by Charles V after the death of Philip. According to Wiklipedia, Philip the Fair died on September 25, 1506 of typhoid fever, or perhaps poisoning.

Starting tomorrow, we will move on to the fourth geographic region: The Habsburg Territories and Neighboring Lands.


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 Posted 10/08/2016  08:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is a good book on this subject:

The Dated European Coinage Prior To 1501,
by Albert R.Frey (139 pages, 13 plates)
publ. 2nd ed., 2000, Sandford J. Durst Numismatic Publications, ISBN No. 0-886720-00-2
Originaly published in the American Journal of Numismatics of the ANS, 1915.
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 Posted 10/08/2016  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, Frey 1915 work was the seminal book on this subject. I don't own this book, but some of its limitations listed by Levinson include: smaller denominations were not always treated separately from larger denominations of the same issuer, inscriptions were usually not fully detailed, and multiple mistakes were made in reading the numerals in the dates.

Starting in 1978, David Cervin issued a series of supplements to Frey that cleared up many of the mistakes, but evidently the subject was still not completely cleared up as some Frey's mistakes were fixed, others were left unfixed, and additional errors were introduced. In fact Levinson lists nearly 120 known errors in the original Frey book as well as the Cervin reprints. From Levinson:



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Regrettably, Cervin chose not to correct the single greatest flaw of Frey, the lack of any coherent organization. Frey listed all coins chronologically, from 1234 - 1500, with no thought as to the context under which the coins were issued. The states were not even listed alphabetically.



In my admittedly narrow-minded opinion, new collectors of early dated European coins should start with Levinson as their guide.

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 Posted 10/09/2016  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To start us off on Levinson's group IV (the Habsburg hereditary territories and neighboring lands), I thought I would re-post this Kreuzer from the Audtrian Duchy of Wiener Neustadt. I have described the rev inscription "A-E-I-O-U" previously:

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The attribution is Levinson IV-7. Interestingly enough, this coin (with a couple others) represents the first year that the modern shaped number 9 was used on early dated coinage. The full inscriptions are FRIDERIC RO IMPERA on the obv and ANNO DOMINI 1°&°7°9 on the rev. The diameter is 20 mm and the mass is 0.7 g.


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 Posted 10/10/2016  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Continuing on with group four, here is a somewhat similar Kreuzer of the Austrian Duchy of Styria (minted in Graz). It is dated one year earlier than the previous one (and therefore is 1458 AD) and attributed as Levinson IV-5a. The diameter is 19 mm and the mass is 0.7 g. The obv inscription is FRI D G RO IMPERATOR and this surrounds a shield with a double-headed eagle. The rev inscription is MONETA IN GREZ 1&78 and this surrounds a shield in quarters. As you might have guessed, the numeral that looks like a modern, if slightly up-swooping, seven is actually a medieval five.

While it doesn't suffer from the flan cracks of the previous coin, there are multiple flat spots which detract from the value of this coin (or give it "character" if you are a glass half-full person). Of the forty or so dated coin varieties issued by Graz, this one is one of the most common--common being a relative word as there are fewer than 100 of these IV-5a coins actually collectible.

Equally as interesting, Graz minted five different varieties of Kreuzer dated 1458, some of which used the modern shape to for the numeral five. At least in this region of Europe, 1458 seems to be a transition year for the number five.




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 Posted 10/10/2016  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wonderful coins all, Dave - and very informative thread. The glass is way more than half full!
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 Posted 10/11/2016  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EddieDiz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a 1500 Slazburg uniface pfennig listed in Levisson VI,65 but do not have a Levinson catalog. In the medieval coinage 1234-1500 site, it lists it as Sch. 4260.
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