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Pillar of the Community
United States
7375 Posts |
Always haggle, it's in my DNA. When I used to have my own business, we had a saying that, 'If they don't laugh at your first offer, then you offered too little.' Not sure if that applies to coins, but I think of it a lot.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
I go to lots of coin shows and have gotten to know dealers well. Every one of them so far has told me they inflate their prices due to knowing customers will always haggle for a cheaper price. If you don't haggle at a coin show, your the looser.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2023 Posts |
Quote: If you don't haggle at a coin show, your the looser. Spelling aside, I made my biggest coin show purchase last year without haggling (2000 bimetallic Library of Congress, PCGS PR69) and still paid less than the average price on ebay, based on recent sales. I'm quite happy with that.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1316 Posts |
After living in SE Asia for 4 years, I've learned that just about everything can and should be haggled over. Coins are a definite. Once I learned that being told "no" isn't that bad and that I should learn about whatever I am haggling over and set my own limits in advance, its become a general part of life.
Got my palm trees trimmed for really cheap earlier this week, and the guy still did the clean up we negotiated I would do. Score.
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Rest in Peace
United States
17900 Posts |
I know what the price should be for a coin I'm looking for. For example, one of only 4 WLH that I'm still after is an 1942-S in MS-65. This is also an easy date to find with bright white uncleaned surfaces and no spots or carbon or toning - which is what I like. They typically sell at auction in the $240-$320 range, depending on the auction and the look of the coin. I'm happy to pay $280 for what I'm looking for - neither cheap nor stupid. If I'm at a show and I offer the $280, regardless of the asking price, I either buy the coin at that price or not. Likewise on ebay, which has dozens of these for sale right now, I'll offer the $280 I want to pay (minus postage if there is any)only on the coins I really love. A good deal of haggling is simply knowing the market and where you are happy. Most haggling will end up with the dealer winning because they do it enough to know that it's not about the money - it's about the "pride" of "winning". Always let the customer win and you will have better profits and loyal customers.
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Pillar of the Community
Russian Federation
5174 Posts |
It happened to me very many times that I was told the price for a coin, and said that then I'm not interested in it, and was then told a lower price. Sometimes I don't agree to that either and get an even lower figure. But if I'm fine with the original value, I don't feel a need to haggle further.
A few times I was physically running out of money, and said as much (along the lines of "I cannot pay $5 for this coin, I only have $3 and change left, look"). This usually worked, surprisingly (most recently with a Prussian groschen from 1532, which I successfully "haggled" down from 300 to 215 rubles).
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Moderator
 United States
189033 Posts |
I do not like to haggle, it is not in my nature. I buy at coins shows. If I do not feel comfortable with the price a dealer has offered, I will thank them for their time and move on to the next one. I might come back if I really liked the coin(s), hoping for a a better offer. However, I will pay more than 'market price' for a coin if I really like it, especially if pickings are slim.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
94367 Posts |
Haggling is second nature in my business (antiques) and quite normal in the coin arena from what I've seen over a long life.
But I always follow (and expect the person I'm dealing with to follow) the cardinal rule of haggling: if you make an offer and it's accepted, honor it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
757 Posts |
Quote: I hate, hate, hate haggling. I'll either pay the asking price or I won't. (Same when I'm shopping for a car.) It's not worth the effort to me. You are definitely not doing it right if it's not worth the effort.  Sunday I went and looked at a new travel trailer. I have looked online and they fluctuate from $35,000-$37,000. I went to the dealer and they had a sticker price of $46,999. I knew that price wasn't even close to what I could get it elsewhere. I knew what I should bring for a down payment and what the monthly price should be. I sat the money on the table told them what I was willing to pay and where my monthly payment had to be. The salesgirl went to talk with her manager. About 5 minutes later she came back with a slightly lower asking price and a higher and longer payment. I thanked them and left. They called today and their price has dropped again, but it's still not where I want it to be. I'd be willing to bet in the next few weeks they'll be right were I want to be price wise. An extra $10,000 financed over 180 monthly payments payments would give the bank roughly an extra $6000 in interest plus the extra $10,000 for the asking price. You better believe $16,000 is worth my time/effort to haggle.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3843 Posts |
I wish I didn't have to haggle with my local coin dealers but their prices are on the high side compared to online venues. When I ask for the best price I usually get about 15/20% off the initial price. Brings it in closer inline with ebay sold prices.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
94367 Posts |
Right, it's the way the world works, especially these days. It's a deflationary environment and I automatically assume that a small business owner has set his prices up to allow for trading. An offer should only follow a "What's best?" inquiry and then only after careful thought.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2023 Posts |
Quote: (davec13) ...You better believe $16,000 is worth my time/effort to haggle. You're still going to end up paying close to the price you want/expect to pay. In this case, you didn't buy it. Neither would I. My point is that I don't like the personal confrontation -- I'd just leave and continue shopping. To me, the money I would save by haggling is like getting paid to negotiate. That's work I don't want to do, so I won't do it. Doesn't mean I'm willing to pay the higher price either, though. I save a lot more by just not buying it at all and looking for a better deal elsewhere. I don't need the coin, or the savings, that badly.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
3733 Posts |
most dealers and coin shows have there items priced at full trends.. very few coins actual demand full trends..there is usually room to wiggle on any coin.. Now keep in mind,, coins that sell well they may not offer a discount because if you don't pay for it they know the next person most likely will..i am finding that with 1948 silver dollars. everyone wants more than trends because they know someone will buy it..sooner or later for their full asking price..
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Pillar of the Community
Norway
1358 Posts |
@Potsdam: you were just a tad faster than me with posting that one. Thanks for posting!  I always try to haggle in coin shops and when buying coins. That is simply because the price of coins is extremely subjective: the coin shops I frequent actually know me by now and already give me a discount before asking. I only avoid when asked for spot on PM: it's simply not realistic to assume one would sell for less than its intrinsic value. When it comes to other products, like cars, houses, expensive stuff... you bet I haggle. The reason is simple: as long as you see it as a game, it's fun. And honestly, if I have to pay $10.000 less or get a lot of extras for free, then I save myself a lot of work in the future, just by trying and talking a bit. $10.000 is quite a sum of money and many hours of hard work, otherwise. When I go abroad to a certain type of country, I always haggle. Simply because one is asked several times the actual price if one shows up as a while male, like I usually do. I usually still end up paying way too much for my wares, but at least half off of what I was initially asked. In some cultures, haggling is just a significant part of the merchant culture, it may even be seen as insulting if one doesn't haggle (and it gets the price even further up when the next tourist appears). I had to learn this the hard way, too...
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
11922 Posts |
No haggling for me. If I do not like the price, then I do not buy the coin.
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