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 Posted 10/30/2016  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Buying slabs (such as MS69s for gold) and proofs is one way to maximizing returns on buying gold and silver coins.

I have zero regrets in buying the 2008 Buffalo sets or Proof gold eagles, there are several that go way over spot because of their mintage and they do quite well on the secondary market like ebay, exceeding what you would get had you bought a bullion gold eagle at spot in 08. Or even compare prices with the 2012 proof versus bullion eagle. I can go on and on. PLUS, price doesn't lie.

There is plenty of evidence that adding proofs, and slabbed GOLD pieces is worth you money. It is NOT hype.

Finally, as we are in an uptrend in gold and silver, as prices rise, I suspect for now, most collectors and the average public will pull in on spending, thinking gold and silver are getting too "expensive" as their prices rise, thus dropping down the mintage numbers on proof coins to be lower than expected and this will no doubt bleed over to bullion coins.

When gold and silver rises in the early stages, most of the public tend to stay way, collectors also, hoping for lower prices that dont happen until the end of the run.

Just another reason to now be adding proof coins in a rising gold and silver environment, I know I am and I have no regrets at all.
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10/30/2016 2:41 pm
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 Posted 10/30/2016  11:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know if the 2008 gold buffalo set is really representative. It is so far the only year where fractional gold buffalo were minted which adds an extra layer of demand not shared by many other bullion coins. I will say the premiums as a percentage over the melt value for that set have gone up. The unc and proof versions had a premium of about 30% and 63% respectively in 2/2009 to 59% and 98% in 11/2011 to 85% and 112% in 7/2016. The premiums may or may not continue to rise and if you are buying only for financial reasons, you are making the bet on both the premiums and melt value.

The American eagle gold proof set mentioned in my previous post had a bid of $2405 in 2/2009 which was a premium of about $714 or 42.2%. Over the time period 2/2009 to 7/2016, the AGE proof set would have under performed a standard AGE. A similar story plays out with the premiums of the proof silver eagles. The difference being that over the same time period they did end up outperforming the standard silver eagles. The typical pattern is premiums tend to decline when bullion prices run up and expand when prices fall. You see it in the examples mentioned, junk silver, and common date pre 1933 gold. Like in most of numismatics, there are exceptions like 2008 gold buffalo set. If your goal is to earn the highest returns and believe bullion is in an uptrend, low premium bullion will in most cases do the best.

Now people buy for all sort of reasons other than just monetary. If you enjoy owning proof, certified, or any other premium bullion product and feel the prices are worth it, then absolutely buy it. For some, it is more important to have fun than to make a lot of money.
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 Posted 10/31/2016  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
could be, I Dunno. What I do know personally, from buying proof eagles, proof buffs, from over a decade plus, I am setting pretty darn good.

Now, let me say this, if I compare those to Pandas, just bullion gold and silver pandas, then my Pandas are smashing the proof eagles in terms of appreciation.

which side thought- wonder if the Pandas are getting long in the tooth, seeing they are now upping mintages for some coins in 2017

and you know.... I mean I do like the proof finish over the bullion eagle finish. There is just something commanding, majestic even, on having a big run of proof gold eagles and proof silver eagles, in all sizes, plus they are in their velvet blue boxes I dont know if I care for the change they made with the color but oh well. It is nicer, to see gold in proof versus bullion.
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I prefer 999 silver and stick with ASEs and smaller bars for the most part. I use to have a lot of 90% and have sold/traded most of it. Nothing wrong with 90% U.S. junk though, to each his own.
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 Posted 10/31/2016  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have noticed some of the earlier pandas have surged in value. A 2003 silver panda I purchased 13 years ago for $15 is now worth about 5-6x what I paid for it at last check on ebay. Will it continue to appreciate? I don't know. My feeling is not likely at a similar pace in the past. The value does seem to have slipped a bit from over $100 a few years ago. These price fluctuations are not motivating me to sell any of my silver pandas for the foreseeable future. I personally like the the design of the coin.

I can't argue with you about the proof finishes. A coin with deeply mirrored surfaces is absolutely stunning to look at. I collect mostly classic u.s coins so I don't have too much of the modern coinage but one of my favorite coins is a 1885 Morgan dollar with DMPL surfaces. It is precisely for the deeply mirrored surfaces why I like that coin so much.

I know you like proof eagles and Somalian elephants. You seem to be enjoying the coins that you have and if you make money even better. The op's initial post seemed to be mostly focused on the investment side of bullion so the content of my posts have been mostly about that. If the op has certain preferences or goals, he or she probably should put greater emphasis on that.

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