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Identification Help - Greek Bronze - Bow & Case

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 Posted 11/02/2016  11:00 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add paul27613 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I am stumped

15mm, 3.61 grams

Identification-Help---Greek-Bronze---Bow-&-Case

Any pointers?

thanks!

Paul
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 Posted 11/02/2016  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a very stylized version of the Alexander III bronze.
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 Posted 11/03/2016  07:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree Alexander III with Bow & Quiver reverse.
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I don't like the portrait, not that I am an expert but it doesn't look like any head of Heracles I have ever seen. The style of the bow and case looks wrong too to be an Alex III.
I am stumped what this coin could be, it is too different to be a fake yet too similar not to clearly be a reference to the type.
I thought maybe a Celtic imitative type, but the style seems off for that too.... hope someone can get to the bottom of it.
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I wanted to say Bosporus (they liked their bows and cases - I was seriously thinking Pantikapaion but the legend doesn't seem to fit), was surprised by your insistence on Alexander, then I noticed the (possible) lion skin.

Could probably still be Bosporus anyway, but I don't know of any Bosporan city that fits the readable legend (I'll have to check on Kwinto).

EDIT: Nothing on Kwinto, I might check the other Bosporan catalogues, but I still highly suspect it's Bosporus. (Wildwings lists the assorted Bosporan places under Thrace, IIRC.) And of course the lion skin (if it's even there) means Heracles, not Alexander.
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The problem as I see it is that all of the coins of Alexander the Great that I see with a bow or a bow case ALSO have a club. As in BONK BONK. That design element is totally missing here. Still confused.

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GOT IT! I had been looking for bow case instead of quiver. Look at:
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2436484

Sicily, Hemilitron, Selinos, c. 415-409 BC AE (g 3,67 mm 15 h 3) Head of Herakles r., wearing lion skin linear border, Rv. Sigma;E, bow and quiver linear border. CNS I, n. 11 SNG Copenhagen - SNG ANS 716. Rare, green patina, high conservation and well centered, good extremely fine.
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Looks like a match. Nice coin.
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Wow! Yes, looks like that's it.

I would never have guessed Sicily, and I definitely would never have guessed 5th century BC
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The same coin, I believe, from a 2014 Roma Numismatics sale...Not sure how the attribution, provenance info, and supportive materials from the sale could have been lost so quickly. . I guess it happens. I see also that it went unsold in that sale: https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?...&lot=1303024

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Well done, always nice to see a mystery solved.
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 Posted 11/04/2016  08:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow. It is the same coin! That is pretty surprising.
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That it definitely is the same coin definitely does beg the question of how it could have lost its attribution and provenance so quickly.

The first century is number one !
But the 5th Century BC is a very close second .......

ebay ?
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I had examined an area that I thought may have been something worth looking at. I believe 'someone' removed a small white strip ( maybe with a toothpick )
The coins are identical

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