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NIFC/NCLT Commemoratives That Hit Circulation?

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Kicking up a curiosity thread.

What are some examples of not-for-circulation commemoratives (e.g. not Bicentennial or ATB Quarters) that have or theoretically could enter circulation channels en masse, as opposed to a one-off incident of a clueless kid or inheritor?

The most famous historical example I can think of is the 1893 Columbian half dollar in the US. Planned for sale at the 1893 World Fair, the Mint director ordered a circulation quantity to be struck, expecting them all to sell for massive profit. The coins were a flop, and after sitting on the whole mintage for a while, the Mint just distributed them out to the banks with the rest of the half mintage. This caused the market for these coins to collapse, and many just spent what they had paid a premium for. There were so many in circulation that our roll hunters here have found dozens if not hundreds in circulation since about 2008.

Theoretically, I could see the very high value Japanese coins circulating. The commemorative 10,000 and 5,000 yen coins are made of silver, but their ~$20 melt value pales in comparison to their buying power at roughly $100 and $50, respectively.
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It's somewhat debatable whether the Russian 25 ruble Sochi coins are NIFC commemoratives that sometimes hit circulation, or "circulating" commemoratives that almost never actually circulated.
I certainly did not have the luck of being anywhere near the few places where such coins were put into circulation originally.
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Some world governments and mints have curious issuing policies regarding certain "circulating" coins. In America, you have the dollar coins - which "theoretically could circulate", if only your government had the intestinal fortitude to stop the Federal Reserve Bank from issuing $1 notes. But until and unless that happens, American $1 coins are de-facto NCLT.

Here in Australia, the concept of the "circulating commemorative coin" is not as alien as it is in America (where the only truly "circulating commemorative" was the bicentennial quarter). We find lots of commemorative coins in change, most of which were intentionally issued for circulation. Thus, people finding a "strange coin they've never seen before" in change is not an unusual occurrence, so most people wouldn;t necessarily even notice that a commemorativ coin they'd been given was not supposed to be issued for circulation.

Certain commemorative coins are issued only through certain outlets. The recent series of six $2 coins for the Rio games were issued through a major supermarket chain, for example, given away as change to anyone who asked for them (and frequently to people who did not ask for them, too) but because of their distinctive appearance, the vast majority of them have not "circulated" beyond their original use.

Certain other commemorative coins here are only issued by rolls sold for face value by the Mint. Thus, if you (as either a coin collector or a keen advocate of the scouting movement) wanted to see the Scouts or Girl Guides dollar coins in circulation, then you bought a roll or two, and spent them into circulation yourself. Kind of a "crowdsourced" coinage distribution system.

For Australian "coins that were intended as NCLT but ended up in circulation", I can think of a few. The gold $200 coins were sold for a considerable premium above face value when first issued in 1980, but the gold price collapsed shortly afterwards, causing many of the coins to be spent and banked since a bullion dealer would give them less than $200 for them.

And finally, in 1988, a commemorative $5 coin was issued for the opening of our new Parliament House. They were "sold" at face value from one of the larger banks. So many were issued, and the PVC plastic flips they were sold in ruined so many of them from a collector viewpoint, that there has never been much of a collector premium for them and many were and are have been monetized, either spent or banked. They are, however, too physically large to be considered a convenient form of money, so do not usually "circulate".
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The Netherlands had some commemorative 10 Gulden coins struck in the 1970s: one coin in 1970 and one in 1973, both made of silver. As the 'normal' 10 gulden was a bank note, people weren't used to using 10 gulden coins. At the time, the purchasing power of the coin also by far surpassed the melt value and despite mintage numbers being quite low, quite some of these commemorative coins ended in circulation.
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The most famous historical example I can think of is the 1893 Columbian half dollar in the US. Planned for sale at the 1893 World Fair, the Mint director ordered a circulation quantity to be struck, expecting them all to sell for massive profit. The coins were a flop, and after sitting on the whole mintage for a while, the Mint just distributed them out to the banks with the rest of the half mintage.

The authorizing legislation specified the mintage not the Mint director, and the entire mintage was turned over to the Columbian Exhibition committee. The Mint had none of the coins on hand. It was the Committee that used the unsold coins to help pay off their bills and they were the ones that released them into circulation not the Mint. In most if not all of the later commemorative issues unsold coins were returned to the mint for remelting. In all cases the celebration committees had to pay the mint the face value of the coins provided, and returning unsold coins reduced their obligation to the mint.
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In America, you have the dollar coins - which "theoretically could circulate", if only your government had the intestinal fortitude to stop the Federal Reserve Bank from issuing $1 notes.
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But until and unless that happens, American $1 coins are de-facto NCLT.
One dollar coins minted from 2012 to date are actually NCLT by executive order and are only minted to meet collector demand.
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I knew this thread would start to turn political .

Thanks Conder for setting the record straight... I don't remember where I had read that the Columbian half was the Mint director's fault.

As far as the Australian $200 go... what was the gold price back then? I looked them up on Numista, and the melt price today is just $300, I think a little less than double the face value in AUD?
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The most famous historical example I can think of is the 1893 Columbian half dollar in the US.


The same happened with the 1923 Monroe Doctrine half dollar, for what I know. Some pieces sold, some leftover pieces released for circulation.


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But until and unless that happens, American $1 coins are de-facto NCLT.


Pardon my American, but the last times I was there I actually managed to get quite a few from vending machines. I think I got over 20 now, Sacagawea, SBA and Presidentail dollars, just taken from circulation. There are even stickers put on many vending machines stating they take dollar coins. So they do circulate and I have plenty of examples. Now if Ikes would start circulating again... I haven't seen one of those there, at least.
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I counterstamp and then subsequently spend all of the NIFC halves I come across.

I used to keep them until I realized I had $1000 face value worth so now it is catch, tag, and then release.
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Jack, It was you all along!You're the reason that all the nifc's I found were counterstamped! It all makes sense now!
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Jack, It was you all along!You're the reason that all the nifc's I found were counterstamped! It all makes sense now!


Post a pic and I'll let you know if it was me.

I also mass counter stamp when I come across a few boxes that have run of UNC. I have seen a ton of 1982 / 1983 at once and for some reason a run of 1989 have seemed to pop up form time to time. Not sure if they came from a local hoarder who dumped or if the FED had been holding for many years and found a pallet full in the back of the vault and distributed them.

EDIT: since you are in IL there is a good chance that yes you fell victim.
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