American Sellers Might Unwittingly Sell Chinese Fakes.

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houston_guy462004 Valued Member United States 235 Posts	Posted 03/18/2008 12:47 pm I bought a Dutch silver rider (ducatoon) which looked authentic enough from the picture from an American seller [99.9% positive but with only 135 feedbacks]. These coins have been more frequently offered in various dates by Chinese sellers. Although I wanted one as a study piece, I hesitated to buy anything from China lest I not receive it. Well, I concluded the ducatoon is fake, albeit a very good fake as a study piece, as it weighed only 24 grams and was about 1 mm smaller than two of my real ones and had a grainy surface which was blackened somehow to look aged. The seller seemed to buy and sell items other than coins. I recommend buying only from sellers who appear to specialize in your area of interest and not sell coins as a sideline. Report this Post to the Staff

Peter THOMAS Pillar of the Community Australia 2830 Posts	Posted 03/18/2008 1:20 pm G'day, there have been several threads on fakes recently. SwamperBob has written a lot, which I find very helpful. There was a recent thread which included a link to photos of a "mint" in someone's backyard in China. There were photos of the dies in use: I was surprised at the variety. It seems to me that any coin that ought to be silver, and about 39mm diameter, is "fair game" to the forgers; and therefore requires extra vigilance by collectors. I agree that the nightmare grows even darker once re-sellers start pushing these items onto the market. Peter in Oz Report this Post to the Staff
swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 03/19/2008 4:52 pm Some of the re-sellers know full well that the coins they are selling are fakes, but others do not know any better. I have written to a lot of sellers on ebay and you get to know who is telling the truth. If I write to the same guy a dozen times for the same problem and I get - "Oh, I didn't suspect." then pretty well I know. When you buy on ebay or anywhere else, you must always be careful. Know your seller and know the coin you are buying. Once a coin arrives IMMEDIATELY check it out. If you find out quick enough that it is fake you might get someone to listen and you might get your money back. Otherwise, when you attempt to sell the coin you may get a surprise. Report this Post to the Staff
houston_guy462004 Valued Member United States 235 Posts	Posted 03/21/2008 11:52 am Indeed, I do check out every coin when it arrives. I also have my list of favorite, reliable sellers. I kept this coin because it is a very good fake, as a study piece, without taking the risk of buying from China and not receiving the coin. The Chinese are flooding the market with these Dutch silver riders of varying dates (1740's to 1790's), important for any collection of America's foreign coins. The fakes weigh 24 grams and have a smaller, neater font. They are about 1 mm smaller in diameter than the originals and have the grainy or pitted surfaces typical of cast copies even though the devices and lettering appear to be struck and meet the field at 90 degree angles. Report this Post to the Staff
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