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1870 Indian Head Cent DDO And DDR ** PCGS Results Added **

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 Posted 11/26/2016  01:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eric19 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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VF-35 if it grades out. That's a pretty big hit. Hit on the reverse wreath too at 11:00?


Yep.
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Very pleased with how quickly this coin came back from PCGS. The coin was accepted on November 30th and shipped out on December 15th. Finally collected this along with three other coins at the post office today, and unfortunately this coin didn't make a solid grade...
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Grade: VF Details- Cleaning NO VARIETY DESIGNATIION

I called PCGS customer service to inquire on why the coin wasn't designated with the DDO and DDR Snow 2 Variety I was sure I had. According the system notes, the CSR said that this was the Snow-13 Variety of the DDO and DDR error, and PCGS does not currently certify that variety. However, if you THOROUGHLY examine the picture PCGS has for the 1870 DDO and DDR Snow 2 on their website, I can almost match every single die marker this coin has to their Snow 2. (Fell free to try this if you have the time and let me know what you think)

I feel a bit ripped off about paying 18$ for variety attribution and despite having a variety, not getting ANYTHING on the label. Oh well, beginner's lesson learned.

You all were spot on about the details grade, except that the details were from cleaning, not damage. I feel the pictures I posted didn't accurately represent the coin's true color and surfaces, so if you didn't see the cleaning, its not your fault. I'll attempt to better my photos next time around.

So what do you all think about this?

Anyway, here is a TrueView of the coin.


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And a picture of the slab.





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Thats unfortunate, you might talk to Fred Weinberg Through ebay. He is the error and variety guy at PCGS, thats why you pay the extra 18. For his cut. I'm not sure, you could post the other coins you could match and also show that to Fred.
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The only problem is that since its detailed for cleaning someone might miss the hits. If you ever do sell it I'd be sure to mention that.

Sorry to hear most of us were right, although we were wrong for the reason for the details grade.
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you might talk to Fred Weinberg Through eBay


Do you know his ebay I.D.?


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The only problem is that since its detailed for cleaning someone might miss the hits. If you ever do sell it I'd be sure to mention that.


Yes, I will certainly be sure to mention that. I will be selling this coin since I have a lot of money tied up with it and it was something I intended to sell when I bought it. I wonder what I could get for it?

Btw, thanks for editing the title.
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Why don't you call Rick Snow? Or email him with pictures and your argument. He is a really nice guy. I am sure he would love to talk with a student of his research work. I called him once and he took a few minutes to talk to me. Maybe he can help.
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Why don't you call Rick Snow? Or email him with pictures and your argument. He is a really nice guy. I am sure he would love to talk with a student of his research work. I called him once and he took a few minutes to talk to me. Maybe he can help.


Quite a smart idea. He is THE expert of Indian Head cents. I am glad he seems friendly towards inquires and is a friendly guy. I can't find pictures of a Snow 13 1870 Indian Head cent online so maybe he could send me some.
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Freds ID is something like FredWeinberg I think. I say email em both
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