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Ancients aren't my specialty. Does this, to your well-trained eyes, appear to be authentic? I don't have the weight, but it is approximately 29mm in diameter.   |
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Outstanding coin if authentic. No red flags for me, although this is not my collecting area. I look forward to others' opinions. Quite valuable, I would think. For comparison, here are two similar ones from CNG sales, the OP coin in the center...Almost tempted to suggest a die match with the one at right - or both, taking wear and perspective differences into account. It is close, but perhaps not an exact match. Btw, the one on the left went for $2,500, the one at right for $1,110.  Edited by Kamnaskires
01/14/2017 01:09 am
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Again I see nothing that looks suspicious but would always be unwilling to make garunteed assurance (since I know I am not infallible) The front looks much better than the incuse bit which is lacking in detail a bit, but you can see a traces and the 'o' at the top... I have one of these coins, and it didn't cost the kind of money Bob mentions (but then it isn't as good) it seems to be smaller than yours, which is a shame because otherwise you could use the weight as a guide.  Edited by DavidUK
01/14/2017 08:06 am
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I agree with Bob and David it appears genuine. The weight would help if you could get that.
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... a die match with the one at right ... I understand that the ancients were not struck with the regularity we expect today, but are these differences not more than one would expect from strike strength & angle alone? After all, the devices seem to have moved.  Cheers, /s/ ikeyPikey |
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Its not more than we would expect... I mean there would have been many dies carved individually, and the devices were regularly altered or changed... in some coins there are literally 100's of variations.
Take my version of this coin for instance and faintly there is a crane standing next to the tripod on the right hand side, also look how different the devices are at the top of the coin (Straight lines joining O's with dots in the centre...quite different to the three that Bob shows)
With coins like these it is quite possible to have versions where only a handful of examples are known but very often the rarity of those small features (unless particularly relevant) don't make a great deal of difference to the value and other times a huge difference in value. Its also possible to find un-researched and uncatalogued examples of well known and studied coins. Quite different to modern coinage in this respect.
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01/14/2017 11:12 am
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...are these differences not more than one would expect from... Ah, but that is why I stated "almost tempted to suggest" a match, and followed up with "It is close, but perhaps not an exact match." By the way, David, yes, the nomoi I posted were, like the OP coin, large-ish: 29mm, 7.82 gm at left; 7.11 gm for the one at right. |
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I agree it appears genuine , the size is possible if it is an 'early' edition , the first minted on a spread flan between 550/500 bc.For me , if it is a good dealer , you can trust it is genuine .For the price , as DavidUK said , the prices of Bob L are hignh , but for this quality and this period , in my opinion you have to pay at least US$1000.For more information about weigts and sizes , see : http://www.magnagraecia.nl/coins/Br.../Kroton.html . albert |
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Thanks everyone! And thanks for the link, albert. A quick sight test by those who have looked at thousands of ancients can help determine a lot!
The coin was placed on a kitchen scale and it comes up at .008kg, or 8g, so that seems to be within the standard for this issue. I'll probably take it with me to the next coin show to get opinions.
I bought this in a small lot of medals and tokens, so if it isn't genuine, it won't be too costly for me.
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01/14/2017 7:23 pm
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... Its not more than we would expect... I mean there would have been many dies carved individually, and the devices were regularly altered or changed... in some coins there are literally 100's of variations ... Yes, I understand & agree. I guess that I do not understand the meaning of the term "die match", which is not in the CCF glossary, and which I took to mean "two coins struck from the same die". Cheers, /s/ ikeyPikey |
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