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My Very Unscientific Coin Show Observations

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Coming from a person who has yet to go to a coin show as there aren't any close to me. Timing is always the issue with my predicament, I am always doing family activities weekends and don't have the time to go. I would like to go to one which is in Albany NY which is 90 mins from me. I could always hitch a ride from my buddy who is a part time dealer and regularly goes there. Suffice to say I have to agree that the Internet has changed the market drastically for this hobby. Granted you cannot see the coin in hand, but with ebay and other auction places your covered. My friend who does go to shows tells me they're hit and miss, some days they're packed and other days they're a ghost town. Sometime over this summer when I actually have some free time I do intend to go with my friend to a show in Albany or white plains, or even to Clifton or parsippany NJ
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Hi MikeF
I have similar experience with shows. I am primarily a seller and initially went to shows to find merch to sell. I found that not to be viable (save for the occasional cherry pick), but I still go occasionally to stay up on things and make my self better known in the circles of dealers.
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I have experienced a little bit of the nervousness of coin show dealers or even store owners when I look over their stuff, but I can understand it. I am not a typical looking coin collector I'm relatively young and frequently sporting a backwards hat and a leather jacket and boots. Knife clip always sticking out of my pocket and jeans most likely fashioning a series of rips and tears. I more likely look like someone who is going to rob you than someone who has a coin collection at home. However, no one has been overtly rude or mean to me. My own coin club even appreciated having me around since I was by far the youngest member and wanted to talk and chat about coin facts that everyone else had long gotten bored of or forgotten about.
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I somewhat agree with the OP, in general shows are not the greatest place to buy. The atmosphere is usually kind of cold, it helps to make a little small talk that is not coin related. The advantage is that there are a lot of dealers, if you don't like one, go to the next. It helps to break the ice by doing something simple, like buying a Red Book, or asking what they charge for common Morgan dollars. It is usually easier to talk with the dealers who specialize in things that interest you, be it proof sets, Lincoln cents, whatever. I have had a little luck such as getting some nice Franklin halves for junk silver prices, but I generally just sell any scrap silver or gold I get from estate sales or Craigslist, say a quick hello to dealers I know, and then leave. I sometimes like taking along a few odd coins to try to sell- Shopping around to SELL coins I no longer want etc. They can't lowball you too much, because you can easily just take it to the next dealer.
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I hate haggling too, so I don't. I find something of interest I ask them what the need for the coin and they shoot me a price. If it's acceptable I buy it and if it isn't I pass. I don't haggle, I don't counter offer, just a simple yes or no to the price they quote.
Same here. More often then not when I decline they come back with a lower price, one that is typically more acceptable to me. Sometimes I have to leave and come back around, but they typically remember what I was looking at and make a new offer. They know that a sold coin is one less they have to pack.
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MikeF....I am right there with you. I am also a collector under the age of 40 and I could care less about a coin show. I don't like haggling over price, I feel pressured to make a quick decision (which I don' like), and from a numismatic point of view there usually isn't a big selection of what I like (Capped Bust coinage) available at the shows I have been to. What I do see there is so over priced I just keep walking as I don't want to insult the seller.

When purchasing online the pressure is not there. I think my generation really enjoys this. That is why 90% of my collection has came from ebay, GC, Heritage, and other CCF members here. I usually go to the few local small shows just to buy a little silver and be nosey.

I believe coin collecting as a hobby is alive and well. Its just not in your face as much as it use to be years to go. I would expect declining numbers at shows to continue but I would not translate that into a declining number of collectors a all.
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Local coin shows are dying and have been for several years. The downward spiral continues as established dealers retire and die off and new blood is not coming in to the industry to replace them. It's sad for local collectors like you.

So far from the truth. By me we have so many coin shows it is difficult to go to them all. For example in February, this year there is one on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd of the Month as well as a sort of a big one on the 23rd, 24th and 25th. And this is true of most of the year. They are anywhere from 30+ tables to a few hundred tables in size. Prices are so much better than on the internet, I never buy anything except at these shows. Going often allows me to get to know dealers and that is where I really get some deals. Some of the regular dealers actually look for certain coins I want or need and at a price I like.
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I agree. I much prefer the shows. Having a coin in hand makes purchase decisions much easier.
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I personally enjoy going to shows - there are three in my area every year. As a foreign currency collector, only 4 or 5 out of 30 tables have a selection I'm interested in, but those dealers recognize me now and are always fun to visit. Most of them have a great sense of humor and enjoy talking as I sort through their inventory.

Like jbuck, I prefer to have the coins in hand rather than online. I have had little success finding good deals on ebay or elsewhere, but my local coin club has a monthly auction that usually has good deals, so I guess I might just be spoiled

I have absolutely no problem with haggling. Most dealers are willing to at least knock a few bucks off if you get a handful of items - 30 notes out of a $1/note bucket would usually be $27 or so. If they decline, you aren't out anything - it never hurts to ask in my opinion. It's very rare that a dealer won't move at all from their prices unless it's already a fantastic deal.
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To those of you who are concerned about making an in person offer on a coin, my advise is do it. The seller may or may not accept your offer but they will explain why the didn't if they don't. You'll know right away why your bid was declined if the seller says no which gives you the chance to either walk away or sweeten your offer. Losing an auction on-line always leaves you wondering why.
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If I see something that is a bit too expensive, I'll ask what's the best you can do on this? I often get 5% or so off.
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I don't go to many shows, but I actually like haggling. The coins shows are one of the only retail environments I can go and negotiate a price. I enjoy watching Pawn Stars and American Pickers and I think watching those has made me more comfortable with the idea of negotiating a price.
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I have experienced a little bit of the nervousness of coin show dealers or even store owners when I look over their stuff, but I can understand it. I am not a typical looking coin collector I'm relatively young and frequently sporting a backwards hat and a leather jacket and boots. Knife clip always sticking out of my pocket and jeans most likely fashioning a series of rips and tears. I more likely look like someone who is going to rob you than someone who has a coin collection at home


I can relate to this and perhaps that's part of the problem. I also don't imagine I fit the mold of the typical coin collector. I'm a big meathead-looking body-building dude.
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Also I should note that in no way was I implying that the coin collecting business is dying. Far from it. It was held at an American legion post in Independence Mo. I thought is was busy but I don't have much to compare it to. I would say the parking lot was about 60% full and it was a good-sized parking lot. As far as the crowd was concerned the most notable takeaway was the volume difference between the tables. Some tables were so busy that I couldn't find an opportunity to knife in and ask questions. Others like I said were a ghost town. I now wish I would have been more assertive on the busy tables and found out what they were selling that was in such high demand.
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There is a monthly show in my area - held also at an American Legion hall - and while I have gotten a few nice coins there, it mostly matches your impression - variety is lacking (for what I am collecting right now) and prices are a bit on the high side. At the same time, there is a large annual show and it's completely different. So I think it is very much dependent on the show you happen to go to.
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